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TunaPlatinum [2017-10-23 00:57:02 +0000 UTC]
Odd thing the PH army also uses this one aside from the common M4 and M16s from their arsenal
Instant fav
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guardmn [2017-03-06 10:24:35 +0000 UTC]
One of my favs
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The-Artist-64 [2015-08-05 14:27:28 +0000 UTC]
Tel Aviv (a large city in the country) was, sadly, destroyed by a nuclear device at the start of the Resource Wars in the 2052. As a note of canon, do you suppose this is just an old gun exported before that event?
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Altegore In reply to The-Artist-64 [2015-08-05 15:40:37 +0000 UTC]
You mean - how would you explain its existence in Fallout?
Well, i guess background stories for most things don't even need to exist in Fallout, unless the players have means to learn it, witch isn't the case most of the time...
I personally like to keep the old world a mystery that only left strange relics behind...
Most people have very little understanding or idea of how things used to be or what they were called, aside from common things and words like car, building, rifle, sword, street, etc...
One scene in Mad Max Fury Road when that War Boy Nux calls a tree "that thing" gives you an idea of how knowledge deprived people there would be...
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The-Artist-64 In reply to Altegore [2015-08-05 17:30:06 +0000 UTC]
Of course! I prefer to keep the old world a mystery as well. Still, though, just between us.
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Altegore In reply to The-Artist-64 [2015-08-06 11:59:37 +0000 UTC]
Well - that, and i use that for when i have no idea how to explain something...
Ok, jokes aside - in reality, i think, the only way a Galil find its in way in to the US is trough import and local manufacture, and then - for civilian use only, home defense, etc, so that would mean (depending on the state) it would not be able to fire rapidly and in some states (California?) its magazine would be much shortened to like - 10 rounds, maybe...
So, if we were to follow this guideline - the rifle would most likely not fire rapidly (unless modified by someone with skill) and it wouldn't be present in too big numbers, i guess... Those in better shape would probably be manufactured locally (there was a company doing that at some point in the US, if i recall straight)...
It uses the same ammo as the "Service Rifle", so - if there is enough ammo for it, there's enough ammo for this as well...
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Altegore In reply to Semi-II [2014-05-03 22:07:14 +0000 UTC]
Oh yeah, check out Serbian "Zastava M21" if you like this gun and never saw the M21 before...
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Semi-II In reply to Altegore [2014-05-04 14:34:50 +0000 UTC]
Nice, I look forward to it ^^
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Tevo77777 [2014-05-03 21:22:10 +0000 UTC]
You think it would weigh less if theΒ receiverΒ wasn't forged?
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Altegore In reply to Tevo77777 [2014-05-03 22:06:23 +0000 UTC]
Well, most probably since stamped receivers make all AK's weight less. Some company in the US ( I think ) made them stamped years back, far as i heard...
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Tevo77777 In reply to Altegore [2014-05-04 20:43:12 +0000 UTC]
Hmmm, so if AKs are so cheap how come we could offer the M16 to them cheaper?
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Altegore In reply to Tevo77777 [2014-05-04 20:59:31 +0000 UTC]
Well...i don't know... Im not an expert on pricing, but as far as i know - the trends have always been that the western weapon systems are more expensive most of the time. My guess is that, besides the fact that those weapons are not as old as the AK, material spent on making it dictates the price, as well as how sofisticated and complicated the proces to make that weapon is. The AK is pretty simple to make i think.
I guess best you can do is strip the M16 of all the "plastic" parts and use wood. Use less durable parts (which would make it even less reliable than it already is today ) and NO integrated rails - just plain unmodifiable metal and wood. It would cost you afterwards, of course, to instal the rails your self.
Personally, I wouldn't bother - i would just use the AKs if i want a simple, cheap, yet highly efficient and reliable rifle.
The AR platform is ok, but it is designed for a sophisticated army/user, not for just anyone - that's why AK is best.
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Tevo77777 In reply to Altegore [2014-05-04 21:01:49 +0000 UTC]
Then explain how we were able to swampΒ IsraelΒ with so many cheap M16s that they switched? Did weΒ subsidizeΒ it?
AR-15s cost a thousand dollars to this day and you can get an AK-103 from Russia at 300.
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Altegore In reply to Tevo77777 [2014-05-04 21:20:12 +0000 UTC]
US enforcement of product and domination of the market. If you are America - its always better to sell them crappy M16 than allow them to buy cheaper weapons that are the same or better quality... Its a "game of thrones" really...
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Tevo77777 In reply to Altegore [2014-05-05 01:10:46 +0000 UTC]
To this day the AR-15 is the easiest weapon on the market to mount parts to or modify.Β
It's also one of the most precise weapons in the world. The AK-101 isn't even close Β at a distance and the G36 still lags a little bit behind.
The bullups have the problem of having their weight in the back, which increases felt recoil
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Altegore In reply to Tevo77777 [2014-05-05 04:53:25 +0000 UTC]
There are other weapons that you can mount your parts very easy too, besides - rub some mud on it and kiss it goodbye. Of course facts are not so black and white, but you get the picture.
Now - im not trying to be smart or anything, i never even used an AR before, its only just beginning to be popular in my part of the world, but most people claim that it is true, plus - i watched helmet cam clips where soldiers have to unjam the gun even without it being submerged in shit. Its a good weapon but only for well managed, serious armed forces that can constantly keep it clean and maintained - AK is for anybody.
As for the accuracy - that much is true. It cannot be denied that the AR outplays the AK by far, but you'd be amazed what a skilled and trained shooter can do with an ak - trust me. Terrain configuration plays a major part as well, not just by how filthy it is, but also how close the combat will be fought - 50 to 200 meters (say - urban warfare) and you'll be OK.
Besides - the AK12 awaits mass production and from what i have seen - that thing has fixed its accuracy issue but kept the reliability, plus the integrated rails.
In the end - i thought the IDF uses the Tavor TAR 21 predominantly, not the AR...
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Tevo77777 In reply to Altegore [2014-05-05 05:23:19 +0000 UTC]
I think the thing is that our weapons require strict cleaning and theirs require strict marksmen training.
I really hope we replace the upper receiver with Piston parts from HK or Colt, followed by strict use of avoiding barrels shorter then 16 inches.
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Altegore In reply to Tevo77777 [2014-05-05 06:45:38 +0000 UTC]
Well, you could say that - yes.
While i was in the army, i was an average shooter with the Zastava M70AB2 (our long time service rifle being replaced with the Zastava M21) and i was getting ok results from 100 to 200 meters with no scope, just iron sights. However - some of my squad mates were really brutal with it. Those guys were able to hit targets dead center up to 300 meters, no scopes, just iron sights - i shit you not. Cant imagine what they would do if they had scopes, plus - most of those rifles are old, produced in the 80s and a great majority was used harshly during the Yugoslavian civil war so they are not exactly brand new and well kept. Of course - it was on the range where you take it slowly, no running or getting shot at, but still - those were some amazing results from talented shooters.
Same thing applies for an AR - in theory its accurate, but what happens when you are being shot at, suppressed, under pressure, tired, hungry, all that stuff...
In any case, yeah - i like both of the systems with each of their pros and cons.
Oh yeah, I heard cool stuff about the HK 416/417, they say its more reliable than the American rifle, but just as accurate.
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Tevo77777 In reply to Altegore [2014-05-05 07:20:30 +0000 UTC]
It's also so expensive only Delta uses it, as they are the reason why it exists.
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Tevo77777 In reply to Altegore [2014-05-05 05:21:03 +0000 UTC]
They used the FAL for most of the first half of the Cold War, switched over to the M16 because it was cheap, and then in the past handful of years made the Tar-21 their choice.
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