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Description I've taken SEVERAL pictures of this temple but have not been able to find one that I actually liked... until now. Finally, a picture of my Father's home in the morning, from the Oquirrh setting.
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A-RaeDArc In reply to ??? [2012-03-05 00:05:24 +0000 UTC]

You mean that by the building or the expanse of it? It's a temple for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (AKA. Mormons).

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-05 00:07:37 +0000 UTC]

I mean the size of the building is rather big compared to the churches you see here.Ah ok ofcourse i heard about the mormons but i dident know that other name

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-05 00:22:55 +0000 UTC]

Ah, well, it's a temple, so it's meant to be bigger than our regular chapels, but it's about the same size as a cathedral or a baptist chapel in the South. But they are large, and I think they're beautiful architecturally, so I like taking pictures of them.
Yeah, we're officially members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but most of the world knows us as Mormons because we believe in the Book of Mormon as a second witness to Jesus Christ, next to the Bible.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-05 00:27:01 +0000 UTC]

Hehe yes why not i just said that because compared to most of the churches we have here in germany its very big .
I know about the book of mormon and i think my dad even owns that book but i never heard about the later day saints name before.

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-05 01:38:38 +0000 UTC]

Hmm, interesting. There are two LDS (Latter-day Saint) temples in Germany, Frankfurt and Freiberg. They're not as tall, but they're just as large in size, because they're much wider. I've never been to Europe, but whenever I think of Cathedrals, I think of the beautiful large churches over there.
The Latter-day Saint part comes from our belief that the true church of Christ was lost when the last of the disciples died, but it was recently restored through revelation and we follow the same standards that were set by Christ, with Prophets and Apostles today. One of our apostles is actually from Germany. His name's Dieter F. Uchtdorf.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-05 10:26:30 +0000 UTC]

Ah i dident even know we had these at all.Intresting dident know there were mormons in germany.
Ah i dont know what to think about that but i respect everyones belives and everyone should have the faith that he or she likes

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-07 00:21:28 +0000 UTC]

Yes, quite a few. We don't have as many temples in Europe, but there are a lot of Latter-day Saints there. I actually have a friend that served as a missionary in Germany.
Yes, there are a lot of good and great people in the world with some truth, though we have missionaries to share what we believe to be the "whole truth." I'm personally working toward my own mission because I want to share this gospel that I love so much.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-07 00:26:48 +0000 UTC]

Hm im not sure what i think about missionaries its sure ok to tell others about there faith and why they like it but its not right to try to make others believe in it.Everyone should believe what he or she thinks its right for them and if they belive in nothing or something totaly else its still ok.
And im not sure if any church has the whole truth.

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-07 02:06:23 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I understand that's a good position, to not try to impose it on others, though we try to educate our missionaries to convert others by letting them make their own decision. Even children who have grown up in LDS families, we encourage them to gain their own testimony, to learn for themselves whether or not it's the true church.
And yes, we don't claim to know EVERYTHING, as there will be mysteries of God. Otherwise, where would we need faith, to trust in Him? But we believe we have the fully restored gospel, just as Christ set forth for us to follow in the New Testament.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-07 10:18:51 +0000 UTC]

Sounds good to do it in this way .I have problems with people that try to impose there faith on me no matter what faith they have.
Good point im no atheist btw but i dont follow any church i have my own believes to some extent

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-08 00:42:32 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I think everyone has a right to their own opinions, because I'd like to have the same respect in return. Most judgments are made without understanding, and that bothers me.
I think most of this generation has that view. I think it's good to believe in something; something to give us more meaning in life, and even a hope in death.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-08 11:22:10 +0000 UTC]

Yes thats true and everyone no matter of what faith and country and culture should be respectet for what the person is .
I think the same and every faith has its rights and wrongs and so its understandable that someone follows no faith but still believes in good

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-09 02:48:29 +0000 UTC]

Indeed. Though that's something a bit unique to the LDS, is that even though we understand that we, as a people, aren't perfect, we believe our church is, because God is perfect, and it's His church. So that should make sense, right? We're all just striving to be like God, by following Christ the best we can. People aren't perfect though (if we were, we wouldn't have such a need for the Atonement and sacrifice of Christ), so I don't think a church as a whole should be judged by some one follower's mistakes.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-09 10:56:02 +0000 UTC]

Its great to believe in something like this and i dont want you to criticize for that but i dont a church is perfect because god is perfect.
Sure thats a good point and there are people that do bad things in every church.What do you think about the seperation of church and state ?

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-10 00:00:14 +0000 UTC]

Who do you believe God to be?
Interesting that you ask about the separation of church and state. With this year's Presidential Elections, there are two Mormons running. We've never had an LDS President before, but just like most religions, we simply believe people with power should rule with honesty and wisdom, and in return, we will be subject to those rules, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the laws.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-10 00:04:37 +0000 UTC]

Hehe good question i think there some kind of god that made (im not sure if made is the right word) all the things but im not sure if he or she or whatever realy made the humans.
I asked about it because i noticed some churches try to indfluence the goverment and the goverment also trys to influence the churches in some way in the us.
There two mormons running ? i know that romney is mormon but who is the other one ?
Thats well said

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-10 00:44:59 +0000 UTC]

Interesting, I don't think I've heard that theory before... So you don't think God cares about us? Do you not believe in Christ then? I was under the impression that most Europeans were Christian.... Sorry, if I've been confusing.
Ah, we tend to be more conservative and on the Republican side, as we believe Government should be less involved in people's lives, but to be an overall protection.
Huntsman was also running, but apparently he had no hopes in winning, so he dropped out. Romney's still running though, against about four others.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-10 00:53:19 +0000 UTC]

Its a own theorie officialy im catholic but im not realy happy with this faith for various reasons.
Ah ok i thought about the abortion discusion and this contraception madate thing.I think goverment shouldent outlaw it because it depends on the faith if you are against or not and should be the decision of the people involved.The same for the contraception thing it depends on the faith to the goverment should make no mandate for it.
Ah ok i dident know about huntsmann and i dont care who the repulicans pick anyway but i hope it wont be santorum

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-10 01:35:22 +0000 UTC]

Ah, I'm sorry about your unhappiness with Catholicism. For what reasons?
Oh, abortion is very much discouraged, but I think if the baby's killing the mother in some way, than it should be aborted.
About the contraception mandate... none of my roommates had even heard of it before, but either way, I don't think these are decisions for the government to decide.
Haha, my roommates agree that Santorum's an idiot.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-10 09:29:49 +0000 UTC]

Its because its to conservative and also because of the recent child molestation scandal.
Hm i think its for the mother to decide.
Yes i agree im not even sure if the goverment pays for it here and we have a totaly different health system
He is and he is dangerous for the Us

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-12 03:34:11 +0000 UTC]

Ah, yes, I think I've heard a bit about the scandal... Hah, if you think Catholics are conservative, you'd probably think Mormons are just a step away from Amish! ;D we believe our bodies are gifts from God, so we keep them clean from alcohol, drugs, and tattoos, wearing clothes to cover our shoulders and knees. We believe in abstinence unless bound by marriage, and though you may have heard otherwise, we are not polygamists.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-12 10:28:52 +0000 UTC]

Yeah and they tried everything to cover it up instead of uncovering it the catholic church has lost all moral authority with that.
Hm i think Amish are far more conservative than Mormons atleast mormons are not anti science.And i respect the other things even when i dont agree with them

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-13 03:40:24 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry that happened. Hasn't that happened a lot in the past too?
Haha, yes, how would I be on DeviantArt if not for a computer and the internet? Yes, we have a private university (Brigham Young University), with a very nice planetarium, and a few of my friends are majoring in chemistry and computer engineering.
Yes, I find it interesting to learn what others believe. It's interesting to see the cultures behind them and the communities they create.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-13 10:22:52 +0000 UTC]

Hm yes sure it has but now it was been uncovered most of the cases are decades old.
Haha true so its good not to be this conservative i dont think the live the amish live is realy this great.
Ah sounds good and what topics are you doing ?
I fully agree its totaly intresting

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-14 04:45:13 +0000 UTC]

Mmm. Yeah, that would be a serious transgression among the LDS, as we believe our leaders are called of God, ordained the same keys and priesthood as the leaders of Christ's time. We don't pay our bishops or any leaders, though. We give tithing, but that goes to the church as a whole for humanitarian efforts. I think that helps keep our leaders honest and morally clean.
I am at Brigham Young University, majoring with a BA in English, with a focus on Fiction Literature.
Yeah, I think it's nice to get away from the world every once in a while, but I depend too much on adventure and technology to ever be satisfied with the Amish lifestyle.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-14 09:34:32 +0000 UTC]

I had to look up the word transgression ,its the same for the catholic church but they dident realy care when they did it and when they covered it up.
I think priests should be payed and allowed to marry like other people this would solve many problems.
Ah hehe sounds good you couldent do that if it would be totaly conservative .
Its the same for me i need technologie

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-15 05:12:23 +0000 UTC]

Hah, sorry, I should try to use less complex words...
Ah, I actually have a different opinion on payed pastors, because I think that turns it more into a business. When bishops are called, they never feel ready, but through God's help, they're able to accomplish great things. Plus, I think it shows their dedication and love of the church more, through their service, as a volunteer. But yes, bishops aren't called unless they're married. I think they need the support.
Yeah, you might have heard of the Twilight series? They were written by an LDS author, who graduated from BYU in the English department. Unfortunately, everyone in the department now really doesn't like the Twilight books and we kind of shun them. They're way dirty for my taste.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-15 13:02:57 +0000 UTC]

Hehe you dont have to i still need to improve my english so its good .
Yes sure thats a good point and i think its great that they can marry in your church.
Sure i have heard about this series i dident who wrote it intresting that the person who wrote it is from your uni .
I hate it too but for other reasons

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-15 15:53:27 +0000 UTC]

Oh yes, we highly encourage marriage. The church has a large focus on families because within our temples, families are sealed for eternity, not "Till death do we part."
Hah, I'm not surprised you don't like the series too. It's not written well, the characters are flat and annoying, and I don't even care for the plot much. So you get the point, pretty much everyone in the English department at BYU shuns Twilight, but we all love Harry Potter.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-15 18:36:59 +0000 UTC]

Sounds good catholic arent allowed to marry or to have girlfriends and i think thats part of the problem.
Hehe thats exactly what i dont like about the series its a series who care more for robert patinson than for the plot of the series .
Ah harry potter is better

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-16 03:20:47 +0000 UTC]

I thought that it was only monks and nuns that couldn't date or marry, and they chose that calling for themselves? Because that doesn't make sense to me, if you can't marry then you can't have kids, and without future generations the church would dwindle and die. Sure, that's where missionary work is supposed to come in, but that wouldn't be enough.
Like, the Quakers (or is it the Shakers?) - they're a group like the Amish - they believe in abstinence even after marriage and they've dwindled down to only a dozen or so.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-16 11:46:27 +0000 UTC]

The rule that catholic priests are not allowed to date and marry is centuries old and they did it for finacial reasons even when they say they did it because they wanted the priests to focus on god.
It makes no sense at all i dont know why they dont change maybe they dont to admit that it is wrong to have this rule.
I know which group you mean i agree this could happen to this church if they continue like this

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-17 18:19:45 +0000 UTC]

Really? I thought it was because they were trying to replicate the holiness of the Virgin Mary (which also didn't make sense to me, since she and Joseph had several kids - including the apostle James, being Christ's half-brother).
Hmm, I can't see the Catholic church dwindling, because this rule is centuries old, but it hasn't seemed to effect its population yet as most members don't follow it.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-17 18:25:39 +0000 UTC]

Ofcialy they do it because of this reasons but in reality they did because the church wanted the money of the priests families when they died.
Hm i think if the church doesent change atleast the "zΓΆlibat" has to go and they should allow women as priests it will dwindle atleast in europe.

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-17 22:57:24 +0000 UTC]

Huh, interesting. See, I think that's another reason why I don't think bishops and church leaders should be paid. Tithing money goes to the church as a whole to build temples, which serves the people in return, or to help families who are struggling financially.
Yeah, I think "celibacy" (as we say it in English) only causes more sexual temptation. We were commanded to "multiply and replenish the earth." This act of creation is a sacred union between a man and woman, and should only be performed under the bonds of marriage.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-17 23:03:59 +0000 UTC]

Yes thats a good point for not paying priests but i think the church needs to make sure that money people give is only used for good things that was not always the case in the past.
Good to know i dident know there was an english word for it ,thats of course true and if priests love a women they should be allowed to live with this women its not only about the act of creation

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-18 20:34:19 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I've heard some historical stories about priests and popes spending the money unrighteously. I don't know a lot about the current situation, but our second to last Prophet commended your second to last Pope, saying he had been a good man for leading the people.
Yes, I don't believe God would keep people from joining in marriage if they loved one another. I believe we have a Mother in Heaven and God isn't alone. I know I'm a child of God, and all mankind are my spiritual brothers and sisters; eternally, we're all one family. When I'll marry, I'll be sealed to my husband in the temple for eternity, so we'll make our own eternal family. But that will only be possible through marriage. This is the belief of the LDS faith.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-19 22:58:41 +0000 UTC]

The build the Petersdom in Rome with money they got ilegaly for example a building that is still used today.
Hm there a new scandal it seems they had priests who were known for child molestation alligations and there job was to help children that were molested by other priests.
The older pope was ok but the current one is an idiot sorry if have to use this word here.
Intresting believe and we dont know if good is infact male or female anyway.
Ah ok

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-20 05:48:12 +0000 UTC]

I heard 'indulgences' started out as just another way for the church to get money from the people. Sorry, but I don't agree with those, as I see them as a way to "buy your way into Heaven."
Hah, "idiot" isn't a kind word, but it's not a swear word either. It's appropriate when describing someone you might respect for their authority, but don't agree with.
Yes, we like to refer to God as our "Father in Heaven," because we feel a special closeness to His love for us, and as we're all one eternal family, He is our Eternal Father.

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Eagle86 In reply to A-RaeDArc [2012-03-23 21:19:22 +0000 UTC]

Yes thats what i ment and i dont agree with this either you cant buy your way into heaven mo matter what you believe.
Hm true i think it was appropriate in this kind as it is word thats bad but not zo bad
Hm ok

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Eagle86 [2012-03-24 17:41:21 +0000 UTC]

Well, to explain the basis of what we believe, I'd have to explain the story of Joseph Smith (our first Prophet of the latter-days). In 1830, there was a lot of religious reformation and Joseph Smith was 14, wondering which church to join. He was lead to James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." He decided to go into the woods one day and pray, but as he began to pray aloud, he was seized by a power and darkness that sought to bind his tongue. He called upon God for deliverance and a bright light shone from above him, releasing him from the dark power. The light fell on him and he saw two personages; one speaking of the other, saying "Joseph, this is My Beloved Son, Hear Him." He remembered to ask the personages which church he should join, and was told to join none of them. Joseph Smith later brought forth the Book of Mormon and translated it through the power of God, which lead to the organization of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Now, I can imagine, you probably think I'm rather gullible for believing such a story, but I've read the Book of Mormon, and I believe it to be the word of God, just as much as the Bible. No good thing comes from Satan, so I'll let you judge for yourself if these words are good or for deception:
"And now, behold, I will testify unto you of myself that these things are true. Behold, I say unto that I do know that Christ shall come among the children of men, to take upon him the transgressions of his people, and that he shall atone for the sins of the world; for the Lord God hath spoken it." ~Alma 34:8 (74BC).

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Rjet33 [2011-06-07 15:39:41 +0000 UTC]

It's a beautiful capture!

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PrissyKissy [2011-05-05 01:28:19 +0000 UTC]

This is gorgeous! I love the angle you used, so that we can see just how tall the temple is!

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A-RaeDArc In reply to PrissyKissy [2011-05-05 02:43:26 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the comment AND the favorite! I'm glad you like the perspective I had.
Honestly, I was just driving in front of it, stuck my camera out the window and snapped it before leaving to my friend's wedding luncheon. ;D
I feel incredibly fortunate that it turned out so beautifully!

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Vesinia [2011-02-22 17:11:38 +0000 UTC]

This is a very lovely photo! The colors are beautiful against the white of the temple. They make each other stand out!

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Vesinia [2011-02-24 05:29:58 +0000 UTC]

Many thanks for the comment AND the favorite! I'm glad you appreciate this photo as much as I do! Are you LDS?

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Vesinia In reply to A-RaeDArc [2011-02-24 17:43:43 +0000 UTC]

I am not really any particular branch of anything. I am kind of eclectic in my beliefs and it just works for me. I do try to embrace people for who they are and I can appreciate all kinds of beauty. This photo is beautiful!

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A-RaeDArc In reply to Vesinia [2011-02-24 21:04:20 +0000 UTC]

Well thank you for appreciating the beauty of a piece of my Mormon faith. I just hope that whatever you believe in makes you happy.

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Vesinia In reply to A-RaeDArc [2011-02-25 05:56:25 +0000 UTC]

No problem and I hope the same!

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wulfdragyn [2011-01-27 17:08:57 +0000 UTC]

Very nice shot!

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