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2Timothy3-16 β God Made Me Female
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I was born female.I am a woman.
I am not interested in:
1.) changing my gender
2.) chasing after women
and thereby:
3.) telling God that He didn't make me right
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God made me right!
He also made my girlfriend right too!
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But according to the bible, women are inferior to men:
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
((I backchecked this, found it to be true. (grabbed my sister's bible)))
1 Corinthians 11:8-9 "For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man."
((Also backchecked to find true))
So yes, according to the bible, there is truly nothing to be proud of for being a woman. You are nothing but a slave to your husband, property, and are basically worthless.
"Women are listed alongside other property in the Bible. - Exodus 20:17, Numbers 31:32-35 & Deuteronomy 21:10-14 β’ It is ok to buy women - Exodus 22:16-17 β’ It is ok to sell women - Exodus 21:7-11 & 22:16-17 β’ It is ok to have women raped for sakes of punishing their owner, man. - 2 Samuel 12:11, Zechariah 14:1-2 & Isaiah 13:15-18"
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not at all friend, men and women just have different roles that were made for them. The first two verses you've quoted are legit in the way you put them, but the last ones at the bottom are taken out of context. Im sorry that this is so long but i feel this needs to be explained.
The Corinthian verses at first glance, seem to be a blanket command that women are not allowed to speak at all in the church. However, 1 Corinthians 11:5 mentions women praying and prophesying in the church and does not condemn it. Therefore, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 must not be an absolute command for women to always be silent in church. The context of this passage, and much of 1 Corinthians, is the order and structure of the church. The Corinthian church was noted for the chaos and lack of order that was rampant in that assembly (verse 33). No elders or pastors are mentioned, and the prophets were not even exercising control (see verses 29, 32, 37). Everyone was participating with whatever expression they desired βwheneverβ they desired. This included tongues and prophesying by women who were taking the lead in the services instead of being submissive, as Godβs Word makes clear (1 Timothy 2:11-15)The command of being submissive or at least the problems that arise from it are the result of the punishment from the fall of Adam and Eve. Apparently, certain women in the Corinthian church were out of order in disruptively asking questions publicly in the chaotic services. Women may be gifted teachers, but they are not permitted by God βto speakβ in such a manner in His churches. In fact, for them to do so is βshameful,β meaning βdisgracefulβ (verse. 35).
Now for the second Corinthians verse you added. That is nothing more than a truth stated. Woman was originally made of man and for him, that's nothing to claim worthlessness or even inferiority, its just how it happened.
Now for the last verses, Exodus 20:17 is the last commandment that states that you aren't to covet anything from your neighbor which includes their wife, (can also be flipped for women not coveting their neighbors husband)the spouse is included as more of a warning against adultery, so it would actually be telling the man to cherish his wife. The numbers one that you mentioned only listed women alongside spoils that were taken for the simple fact that they were spoils for the victors. The Deuteronomy verse you mentioned explains the conduct for marrying a captive woman that was taken from war, it even says that the man is to give her time to grieve, not sell her or treat her as a slave and to let her go if he is not pleased with her. The buying verse you mentioned are about marriage, specifically if a man laid with a virgin he HAD to marry her but that was up to the father of that virgin, even if he didn't let you marry her the man still had to pay the marriage price. The selling verse is about the conduct of how to treat a servant girl who has been sold to you by her father (their are also man servants the rules are just a bit different). Now the last one is really taken out of context, the samuel verse is in regards to king david, who had sent a man to the frontlines of war because he wanted the mans wife, the part including the taking of a wife is God telling david that he will bring calamity upon him and his household. The isaiah and zechariah verses are about calamity that will befall Babylon and Jerusalem. Its ok to "backcheck" but look at the context of the verses before you make decisions like that.
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>_o Please, use the enter/return key....
I didn't see the bible mention the women being in a church while praying. It also says in that verse that a woman is to keep her head covered as a sign of authority.
"Apparently, certain women in the Corinthian church were out of order in disruptively asking questions publicly in the chaotic services." And why shouldn't you question in public? I highly doubt it was only women asking the questions, so why only point them out?
"Now for the second Corinthians verse you added. That is nothing more than a truth stated. Woman was originally made of man and for him, that's nothing to claim worthlessness or even inferiority, its just how it happened." According to the bible, yes. But I see nothing in the bible that shows anything but women being inferior.
I would also like to bring up the book of Judges 19. In Judges 19 a priest was traveling with his wife and spent the night in the house of an old man. During supper a mob came demanding that the host handed over his male guest. Instead of meeting their demands the host offers to give his own daughter and the priest's wife to the mob so they can rape, humiliate, and do with as the please but requested that they do not harm his guest, who is after all male.
Why is it that throughout the entire bible, god says absolutely nothing against rape?
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ok i will address the head covered thing you mentioned, the reasoning of that is that women who didnt cover their heads and where a veil were seen as sexually loose women, since only her husband was to see her body so women had to wear such things.
Next is the questions in church, notice i put chaotic right in that same sentence, so its not just asking a question, its intentionally interrupting the services, an example would be a student who repeatedly asks questions during a lecture instead of taking the teacher aside and asking those things afterward so as not to disrupt the lesson. I can only say "they were singled out" because it was extremely improper for a woman to be so unruly.
I will put my point on the second corinthians verse at the end.
Now about the story from judges. The levite and his concubine shows the moral condition of israel. Now Hospitality was very very important in the ancient middle east, and the old man took it very seriously, sadly he didnt take respect for women as seriously, sadly the concubine was indeed raped by the mob. The thing to understand with this is that God didnt command him to offer his daughter or the levites concubine, he didnt commend the mob for their rape, and it wasnt about his guest being a male, it was about the hospitality, the old man would rather send his own daughter out and his guest's concubine (mistress for sexual acts and nothing more) then for his guest to be harmed. (take note I dont commend his actions in the slightest and you will see why in my following responses)
now about the corinthians verse, the bible does not show women being inferior, it merely shows differing roles for males and females, example in point, 1 Corinthians 7:1-5
1Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry*. 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
*so he can be fully devoted to God.
By far the best examples that women and men are equal are, 1 Corinthians 11:11 However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman.
12 For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God.
The other example being that Christ died for everyone's sins and that EVERYONE can know his undying love, and be saved when you come to love him too.
Now about what God has to say about rape, Deuteronomy 22:25-28
But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor, because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her.
Lets not forget the story of Tamar and her half-brother Amnon, the children of Kind David. Amnon wanted to lay with his sister, so he devised a way to get her alone and he raped her. 2 Sam 13:11 When she brought them to him to eat, he took hold of her and said to her, βCome, lie with me, my sister.β
12 But she answered him, βNo, my brother, do not violate me, for such a thing is not done in Israel; do not do this disgraceful thing!
That is only part of the verse but it has the point to be made, notice how she said, such a thing is not done in israel, that shows God's view on rape, the same as sodom and gomorrah, that wasnt just about homosexuality, it was about great sin in general, sexual depravity seeming to be one of the worst and we see that when the men try to rape the angels that were sent down.
Hands down the best verse to show how God wants us to behave is this, Matthew 22:36-39
βTeacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?β And he said to him, βYou shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
God wants us to treat each other as we would want to be treated, as equals, but that still comes second to loving God, and to love God is to obey God, hence following his roles. Dont focus on rules or "restrictions" thats what adam and eve did when they were told they couldnt have the forbidden fruit and we see how that ended up.
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THANK YOU!
But I will disagree on the covering. Greek Corinth with it's temple prostitute system (and their unveiled heads) was destroyed around 146 BC. It wasn't rebuilt until a 100 years later by Julius Ceasar. By the time I and II Corinthians was written, it was a thoughroly Roman city...their practices are closer to today's than to the Greek's (Including the roman women going around with only their hair on their heads).
Lumping Ancient Greece and Roman Corinth together, in other words, would be comparable to someone a thousand years from now saying how we lived in 1994 by studying life in colonial America. XXXD
Besides, if I Cor. 11 were applicable ONLY to the church at Corinth, how did it end up in the Bible? Everything else in the NT especially is totally applicable and usable (whether people want it or not.) Why include instruction worthless to all but the people Paul was writing to?
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No problem ^^ i just cant let anyone get away with bad-mouthing and not give my two cents ^^
That time situation would make me still believe it the same, Roman society during biblical times wasn't any better, especially if they are closer to todays practices 
Its not that its only applicable to the church but more so that its an example. It was made specifically for that church at the time, seeing as how it was a letter paul addressed to that church, but its message is for everyone who sees it, its messages about church and christian life are clear to all, as well as the cautionary messages it hold.
sort of like the laws in Leviticus, they were meant to raise those who followed it up and make them an example to the rest of the world, unfortunately they didnt listen too well and became an example of how not to act, to us, and since Christ fulfilled the law, we are no longer bound by it but we still see what God doesnt like by whether or not it is repeated again later on, ex: homosexuality.
yeah i wasnt trying to make it seem that its message was ONLY for that church ^.^
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How does chasing after women tell God he didn't make you right? Lesbians aren't trying to be men; they don't WANT to be men.
Also, what about the 0.033% to 0.05% of people who are born hermaphroditic. Should they just accept what God gave them and refuse to have a gender or gender-identity? SHould they obstain from having a relationship?
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the reason it is telling God that, is that the lesbian is doing the exact opposite of what they should be doing. They should be chasing men to find a husband. Men and women were made to have children with one another as man and wife, being a homosexual is focusing strictly on the sexual nature of things as neither partner can become impregnated by the other. On the subject of being a hermaphrodite, unless they are completely androgynous then they should see whether or not they resemble a male or a female excluding genitalia, that in mind it is entirely possible to find a partner based on that, that will accept them for the physical deformity they have. Another option is to get surgery by determining the "dominate" sex of the person. If the correct actions are taken, gender identity and healthy relationships can occur ^.^
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love. You forgot love-thats actually a pretty huge part of relationships.
Also, how is surgery ok even if there's a "dominant sex" ? Isn't that telling god he made a mistake?
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love. You forgot love-thats actually a pretty huge part of relationships.
Also, how is surgery ok even if there's a "dominant sex" ? Isn't that telling god he made a mistake?
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well i didn't mention love because i felt that was pretty obvious since i mentioned finding someone who accepts their condition which usually takes love or a form of love, but my mistake. No that is not telling God He made a mistake, God doesn't hand craft our flesh bodies so to speak, God creates the eternal part of us, our souls. The human body is created by that person's parents. its just like saying that God didn't make me near sighted, my genetics did. Same general concept, a genetic problem added more then should have been.
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So you mix God and genetics? And somehow physical gender is genetic while gender-identity and sexual orientation are spiritual? If that's the case then wouldn't we start liking the opposite gender before puberty?
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I dont really think i can mix "God and genetics" in the sense youre implying since He created genetics. Yes physical gender is genetic, anatomy, structure, function. And yes gender identity/sexual orientation is mental/spiritual, thats the entire reason that people can choose to be homosexual/bi-sexual in the first place. Physical gender obviously plays a role in gender-identity but physical gender is more then genitalia, if the entire appearance is of a man or of a woman than the one physical deformity shouldnt be whats taken into account for gender. I can see if it was a complete 50/50 mix of man and woman then i dont know what to tell you on that. It all depends on who you talk to about the pre puberty thing, I liked girls before i hit puberty, why do you think litle kids have those cute little puppy love relationships? and actually seeing the state of children today, im seeing more children start engaging in relationships before puberty, so yeah your body functions as it should, mostly automatic, and your mind and soul function off of choice.
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Do you know anything about hormones, neurotransmitters, and brain structure? Because those all contribute to one's mental self and have close ties with genetic makeup. It's never as simple as mind vs body
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is it as "simple" as mind vs body? No. Is mind vs body important in everyone's (and in the context of this discussion, every christian's) life? Yes. And yes i do know of those things, but regardless of that, a human being ultimately has control of their body, yes some things are done automatically for safety and other reasons, but everyone is warned to have learn self control. When you boil everything down think about it, whenever you do something its because you choose to do so no matter what it is, in most cases. If you think about something before you do it then you are making a choice. Genetics may play into the thought process but few choices are made with your genetic make up in mind.
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I work with people who have frontal lobe damage. They have no control over their impulses.
OCD, BPD, Prader Willi syndrome-- all disorders of the brain which make it overwhelmingly difficult to control yourself.
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yes and that is covered under when i said, "in most cases" i understand there are people with afflictions of the mind, i assumed that was understood from my posts. I feel the need to end this discussion, however, neither of us will budge from our stance and our points have been made, if you will be so kind i offer a friendly stalemate and the conclusion that this is a difference of opinion ^^
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I believe in God and I do believe everything happens for a reason. In that case, yes the person was born female for a purpose...but what if that purpose was to overcome the challenges as 'being born in the wrong body' and ultimately serving as a challenge for that person's strengths?
What is someone was meant to be homosexual? Why wouldn't God stop those desires ever being apart of the person's mindset? Perhaps God made us the way we were so we could face the challenges that may come our way personally and make us better people.
Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to convert feelings at ALL, I just like sharing my opinion and discussing or opening up questions for thought on topics.
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Well to begin with, the question of why doesn't God stop homosexuality from starting is basically the same as why doesn't God stop temptation and sin in the first place. The temptation of mankind is natural due to us being born in sin, homosexuality among other sins, is just the result of falling into that temptation, it is then that person's responsibility to overcome the sin they have let take hold of them. To end with, God cant create someone who is homosexual, to do so would cause him to contradict himself by going against what he has said about that (i.e. that it is a sin and unnatural.) That was a very good conversation starter though ^.^
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Thank-you for making this.
I thought I was the only one on here.
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You're definately not alone. ^^
And you are very welcome.
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Thank you for making this stamp.
There needs to be more people like you who are willing to stand up for what they believe in. I am truly glad you believe in God, and that he made you who you are - on purpose.
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