totocapt In reply to GabrielleLevenkron [2017-07-12 07:08:07 +0000 UTC]

Chapter 1: just paraphrasings of the Bible with some indirect references of themas and reflections linked to our own century. I prefer the original Bible.

Chapter 2: God, whom "... spirit and flesh is gone ..." is a strange one, considering His nature and essence with eternity and no limitations. A God who condemned in a way like "... The pain and torture never ending ...", and in the same time helped for that with "... Christ [who] will not save such compulsive sinners who commit every other sin of the flesh ...". Conclusion: you're strange God likes to be a torturer, in company of a Christ with limited love, who came on earth for sinners first (Mark 2v17). The Chapter is risible.

Chapter 3: "... Christ has been crucified many times before and he will be crucified many times again ..." (!) Well, when you have a Fundamentalist background, it's not easy to be good in History (and Prehistory also). So, you have to learn that crucifixion was a speciality of Romans, and Jesus appeared only one time on earth for all until now, during Roman empire. And crucifixion is not synonymous to be stoned, or to have a body cut into pieces etc... Here, your new Bible goes from risible to something totally illogical.

And if you think Jesus has to sacrifice himself always and always for the sins of new generations ("... Jesus to come again on earth to sacrifice for the sins of the people of earth for the sins of these current generations are many ..."), it means your new Bible doesn't understand the notion of a perfect sacrifice, like the Koran. So, your new Bible is a waste of time at the end...

Chapter 4: new step for your new Bible, the illogical and free contradiction. Indeed, "... Every thousand years or so Christ goes down to hell Through his glory He saves all of those damned He raises them up ..." contradicts "... "... Christ will not save such compulsive sinners who commit every other sin of the flesh ..." of Chapter 2. "... The power of Christ is felt even by Satan himself He bows down before him and acknowledges the Christ as Lord ..." contradicts Hebrews 2v16. And after that, i really don't need to learn more of your new Bible and the cult you want to spread, linked to it.

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totocapt In reply to Tonnichiwa [2017-05-29 04:50:17 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome! Feel free to give me one also, thx lol!

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totocapt In reply to MrMopoke [2017-05-27 14:12:31 +0000 UTC]

Thx for your interest! Well, if you have any question, feel free to ask!

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MrMopoke In reply to totocapt [2017-05-27 14:23:06 +0000 UTC]

I'm wondering what your opinion is on the New Age Movement or the Zeitgeist Movement?

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totocapt In reply to MrMopoke [2017-05-27 15:05:19 +0000 UTC]

Well, i'm not really interested in the New Age movement: it's more an open door for relatism in thought, syncretism in religiosity, and basic statements in spirituality (at maximum). I don't know really the Zeitgeist Movement, but for the few i know, i could say it must be surveyed. its objectives and positive point of view for a better future seem to be on air, so who knows what could come really from it?

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totocapt In reply to Koshej [2017-05-25 23:05:52 +0000 UTC]

Do you mean about a thread in the forums dealing about the marranos themselves, or do you ask me if i have an opinion about them? If that's a thread in a forum, sorry but i didn't see it, so if you have any link... Anyway, for my personal opinion, it's another world for me, so it's hard to speak in general. I could say to you 2 things anyway. First, i visited with a Jewish friend a sefarad synagogue in my city, where prayers in ladino are done: it's quite unique, and the rabbi was very nice. Secondly, the only place i know that they were traditionnally numerous in an Orthodox country was Salonique. The relationships between all the communities were peaceful, and a Greek priest told me that during the 2WW, all the Greeks who could have the possibility to do so, protected the Jews from the Nazis. So i guess many descendants of the marranos in the Ottoman empire settled in Greece could be saved...

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Koshej In reply to totocapt [2017-05-26 00:04:40 +0000 UTC]

I meant historically, in the context of "twisted Christian love".
And no, it's just my example on some of your posts in Religion, where I decided to never post anymore, for personal reasons.

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totocapt In reply to Koshej [2017-05-26 06:08:34 +0000 UTC]

Well, for History i could add one more thing by the way. You wrote the expression "twisted Christian love", but in the case of the marranos, it's the question of a twisted Catholic love, nothing else. Well-known Huguenot pirates existed, like François le Clerc (who sacked for example Santiago of Cuba in 1554, which leaded Spain to take the city of Havana as a new headquarter for the island), or Jacques de Sore, who joined the British invaders against the Catholic King of France in 1563. They showed to Morriscos a way to perform a piracy (as a result would appear the Barbary piracy), for trying to recover the lost lands in Spain, and so they developed a friendship with Protestants, like the one with Zymen Danseker. It was the same thing with marranos, who developed their own piracy (like Samuel Pallache), and Western Indies were full of Jewish pirates, where friendly relationships with Protestants could be tied early: the common ennemy were the Catholic Spain and Portugal. As consequence, many marranos in America, outside of the Western Indies, would settle in the Protestant areas: New York, Newport, Savannah, Charleston and Suriname, which was a Dutch colony, where Jewish settlers were authorized. There was even a marranos woman from Portugal at the Court of Elisabeth I, Marie Nunès.

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Koshej In reply to totocapt [2017-05-26 09:19:20 +0000 UTC]

And did ANY of these marranos RETURN to Judaism OPENLY (and still were friends with the non-Catholic Christians AFTERWARDS)?
If NO - then your examples are meaningless.

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totocapt In reply to Koshej [2017-05-26 09:50:40 +0000 UTC]

Of course not in the Catholic countries. But in the Protestant countries, no problem for that. For example, a group of marranos fled Portugal and were leaded by Jacob Tirado until their arrival in Amsterdam the 22th April 1593. Dutch people experienced Spanish Inquisition also, so the marranos were quicky authorized for having their first synagogue there: Beït Yacouv. The poets David Yesouroun and Paul de Pina fled to Amsterdam also: arrived there, Paul retook his Jewish name of Rohel Yesouroun. Nearly one century later, when Louis XIV, the antisemite king of France, invaded Holland and discovered with horror the life of Jews in Amsterdam, he declared: "how could a Christian country accept Jewish people within it?". An Amsterdamer answered him: "if Jews are everywhere pushed away, there must be at minimum a land for welcoming them" (I said all this by memory). In Protestant places like Antwerpen (Protestant city until 1585), Amsterdam, Hamburg, or London, great sefarad communities could be constituted and develop themselves throughout the 16th and 17th centuries. Knowing that, the marranos fled the Portuguese settled in Brazil, to Suriname (to be checked) and to New York, where many came with the Saint Charles' boat at the date of 1654. Before the independance of USA, there were 1500 to 3000 Jews, mainly sefarads, well integrated, and with their own recognized civil rights.

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Koshej In reply to totocapt [2017-05-26 11:14:40 +0000 UTC]

Interesting point (not really new, actually, just overlooked).
You know, there MIGHT be a distinction in how Catholics and Protestants treat Jews in the aggressiveness sense.
But I want to explain that my initial question was about this post of yours:
comments.deviantart.com/18/230…
That's where the topic of antisemitism towards marranos came from.
While you corrected that specific point to be rather targeted at Catholicism in particular, you have to realize that Catholicism is still the INITIAL and CORE version of Christianity to begin with.
Meaning that your post kinda claims that "Catholicism is the first religion of true love" - to which I said that what I said.
So, what do you say in response to this?

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totocapt In reply to Koshej [2017-05-26 11:40:09 +0000 UTC]

I think there's a misunderstanding: i never claimed that Catholicism is the initial and core version of Christianity! Rather than this, i'd say that Orthodox Christianity (which is mine) is the intial and core version: it implies that Catholicism is for me a western deviation of the true path, which became slowly with centuries in this part of the world a "disorientated" Christianity. With all of its historical problems, like Inquisition, crusades, antisemitism...

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Koshej In reply to totocapt [2017-05-26 12:12:09 +0000 UTC]

*I* state it, and it's not even a claim, but a historical fact.
ALL other forms of Christianity only appeared much later, due to various schisms and reinterpretations.
Anyways, I think this chat should end for the lack of useful discussion material, lol.
Ciao.

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totocapt In reply to Koshej [2017-05-26 12:35:22 +0000 UTC]

Well anyway, if you get other interessant materials for going further in the discussion, feel free to post them!

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totocapt In reply to Lytrigian [2017-04-19 09:08:15 +0000 UTC]

Thx a lot! Christ is Risen!

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totocapt In reply to chateaugrief [2017-03-05 21:15:17 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome! I'll sleep with good dreams with such beautiful landscape!

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totocapt In reply to CristianoReina [2017-03-05 09:49:36 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome! Your work is really great, for sure!

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totocapt In reply to SonSilvShad18 [2016-12-11 07:38:56 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much!  

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SonSilvShad18 In reply to totocapt [2016-12-11 12:47:35 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome.

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totocapt In reply to SonSilvShad18 [2016-12-11 14:46:37 +0000 UTC]

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totocapt In reply to AltairSky [2016-12-07 06:55:30 +0000 UTC]

Thx for your welcoming! Nice to know you here! I'm not an artist, maybe except for trying to write books lol! I hope i'll have some knowledges for trying to do some flags in future! Anyway i know Deviantart for some years and i like the creativity here!  

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AltairSky In reply to totocapt [2016-12-07 13:14:07 +0000 UTC]

Awesome ^_^
I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun here!

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totocapt In reply to AltairSky [2016-12-07 18:40:32 +0000 UTC]

Thx, I hope so too! But i need to learn the place too!

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