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neoliquid
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[2006-09-06 14:32:53 +0000 UTC]
"The guy that is under your bed"
(Spain)
# Statistics
Favourites: 18; Deviations: 27; Watchers: 17
Watching: 23; Pageviews: 8409; Comments Made: 426; Friends: 23
# Interests
Favorite movies: Blade RunnerFavorite bands / musical artists: Rammstein and Mago de oz
Favorite writers: Frederick Forsyth and Reverte
Favorite games: Starcraft
Favorite gaming platform: The damn PC
Tools of the Trade: Money (yours not mine)
Other Interests: Finding them
# About me
Operating System: Linux/ Windows XpFavourite cartoon character: homer simpson
Personal Quote: No children were eated in the writing of this quote
# Comments
Comments: 99
Hi, theres this contest going on called "Cute Monsters" and I was wondering if you could vote for mine? 
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hola! te gustaria entrar en el grupo de espaΓ±oles? si qieres te dejo aqui el link y te unes ok?solo tienes q darle a JOIN GROUP
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yo dude, remember me? 
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though you were dead or banned or something
Wellcome back
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yea, i was banned for a while, being under 13 and shit 
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no, they are more than 1000!
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i've got to say, no matter how you defend yourself to yourself, your batty is still a rip on another artists work. it is not an issue of copying the pixels, it is an issue of copying the essential style of an artist and calling it your own.
it was never allowed in the past and it is unfortunate that you believe yourself to be so in the right that you would not remove it at the request of the original author of the batty group of avatars.
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i agree with sofine, go to *GalaxyDancer 's page, hers looks exactly like the cartoons she draws, but she doesnt rip em
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no, those would still be rips in one sense of the word - they are not original characters. depending on how the rights have been established for the character it could be considered infringement.
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uh... its fan art. she never said she made them
everything she submits usually has cartoon characters, and it is also submitted to fan art
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getting off topic, no?
also, who is to say that certain fanarts are sanctioned by the rights holders?
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uh, that fact that its fan art. ppl trying to draw characters because they like them and the show
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what legal basis does fanart hold? big fat 0.
kind of getting back to the topic though, if the original artist asks that you not re-create their work, would you respect that?
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i would, but did she ever say it before he made it?
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how would she know about it until after he made it...?
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What about all of the artists that draw EXACTLY like Invader zim or Danny Phantom? I don't hear anyone moaning about them- they just get thousands of views and bootlickers. Maybe its the fact that the "essential style" is so simple, thats its easy to copy? And its always been allowed, apparently. What with all these people who constantly draw the same style as cartoons they see on tv who don't have permission from the origional artists.
Yes, neoliquid. Im still raiding your page
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depend on the protective rights taken out on an image, you may reproduce, etc. the batties were a limited edition creation by one artist for the deviantART community, hence why they were always treated specially on deviantART. people who draw Invade Zim or Danny Phantom would have to deal with Warner Brothers or whomever as the property right holder, however when it is a specific artist on deviantART, don't you think some courtesy should be used in honoring their wishes? Just like if Warner Brothers (assuming they hold those rights) issued a cease and desist order on the reproduction/characterization of their characters, it would need to be honored.
the problem is the original artists for these tv shows don't complain because a) what system is there in place to verify they are the rights holder? b) deviantART is so far underneath their radar, and c) if anything, when you are copying the characters of a tv cartoon you are probably also a fan of the show and therefore helping, not harming the show. it is a difference between property rights held by an individual artist whose creation is her own and whose rights have always been respected in the past and those held by a corporation who profits from people spreading their characters around since it impacts their bottom line in a positive manner.
if Warner Brothers were to ask deviantART to remove all instances of Invader Zim characterizations due to a rights conflict, do you think deviantART would comply? much of this has to do with changes in deviantART administration/ownership and the "preferential" treatment of respecting the intellectual rights of characters designed specifically for deviantART admins/community leaders' use.
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i'm sad because of your batty rip.
`liquify is my friend, and she doesn't deserve to have her work taken advantage in such a way.
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Can people not be mature about this? Seriously, people use other people's works to learn, and if he credited her then what does it matter? Just because a style is used does not mean you have to confront the artist and speak of such. Crediting them is plenty good enough. Anyone could have done that style a million times, doesn't mean their on a community such as dA so that a few other see it. Lets be mature about this whole situation. If Liquify chooses to leave dA over such a small reason, then so be it. But her linking to Neo was a little out of the way when she could have easily done something herself, and kept it very mature. But instead she blew it way out of proportion, and you are just adding to this immaturity.
So lets all grow up a little, and realize that people learn from others, and everyone will often follow another person's style until they can get their own. That is just how it is. Learn and accept it.
Take care.
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I did something myself, ~neoliquid hid the comments, so no one but he & I know about them.
Please be fair and don't jump to conclusions here. I talked it over with him, then took it up with $realitysquared . I am not so irrational as to just leave dA without seeking resolution first.
If something's been happening for 5 years (deviations similar to his being deleted), why am I wrong to think it will continue to happen?
Why do I have to accept something contrary to what policy has been in situations like these, since 2001?
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Things happen I suppose. Because the comments were hidden I didn't truly jump to conclusions. Thought it seemed more that he might have been hiding comments that were flaming him, so there I may have been wrong, and I will apologize for that. True, these types of things could continue to happen, and that is a saddening thing. But unfortunately I don't know. I do feel bad for assuming like I did, I had been half awake when this whole situation was shown to me, so I will admit to being extremely irrational when doing this comment. But nonetheless.. I hope that with leaving dA, and possibly doing something of your own you will be able to continue your work. But it cannot be guaranteed that people still won't copy, but there is no truly controlling that. These types of things are something that need to be accepted, no matter how little someone wants to. ( I don't know if half of this made sense... )
Nonetheless, if for five years straight deviations such as that had been deleted for your sake and they just stopped, then I understand your frustration, and understand the problems you have with the change. Before I didn't know all of the information other than looking upon it and everything seeming extremely irrational. Nonetheless, I wish you the best of luck, and again I apologize. To both you and Meredith, considering I did jump to such conclusions when I was not completely "there." Please don't think I am sucking up, either. I just actually understand.
Take care.
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You've no need to apologise to such an extent, though I do appreciate the sentiment and I am truly thankful for it. I didn't want to leave, and still don't want to, but it all makes me very uncomfortable on a general scale.
Thanks for your well wishes!
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Ahh, yeah that is understandable I suppose. Maybe staying would be a good thing, though? I mean.. even if to stay to be around for everyone else, and just upload random things, but maybe not the things that you completely made up, you know? :B
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Would you guys stop this already. God damn.
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I agree. The only person that should be confrontational about this is liquify, who, instead, says she is leaving dA, which, although I wouldn't do if this happened to me, I respect.
I wish people liked my art so much they'd lift the style. :[
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For the record, I took this up with ~neoliquid first. I commented on his deviation and we discussed it, he has since turned off critique and disabled all comments, so in effect he has hidden my efforts to take it up with him.
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ah. At least he gave you credit for the inspiration, though. Did he not do that before? Now, that would make me want to report it.
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No, before he claimed it was all his original work.
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When i submitted it i gave credit. I said it was inspired in her art. ("..go to her gallery because she has an amzing gallery...")
I consider that a credit.
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So she bluntly lied to us AND her all of her toadies? D;
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Ill take that as a yes... if not say so now before I come down on all her croanies like a gay on hiroko.
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I think this thing should end soon, i am tired of rewciving notes+comments, i just want to be a normal deviant. Maybe i should rethink it all....
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Nono. I think its amusing how upset they get because someone could draw just like their "god" so easily. Hehe. Well, at least you can come to flashers and not get biatched at.
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Im done responding to them. Its pontless
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ah. it's too late to do anything about it now, since he's giving her credit. btw, are people still thinking about this, because I completely forgot about this till now.
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Yeah I was just reminded by `duhcoolies mentioning this in his journal.
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ah. I see. Well, at least he didn't directly lift one of her deviations. people do that all the time and think they can get away with it. As far as I'm considered, it's just controversial fanart. It's okay if everyone else thinks differently, that's just my opinion.
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She never had the courtesy to confont him. And Im geeting tired of those "polular" artists who put up the "Im leaving da" show, just to get some sympathy. Then they dont leave
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