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[2010-02-13 23:19:28 +0000 UTC]
"Feegure et Aout"
(United States)
# Statistics
Favourites: 71; Deviations: 1; Watchers: 12
Watching: 27; Pageviews: 6329; Comments Made: 3594; Friends: 27
# Interests
Favorite movies: Too many to chooseFavorite bands / musical artists: Too many
Favorite gaming platform: PS3
Other Interests: Video games, manga, anime, MLP: FiM,
# About me
Favourite genre of music: Too manyFavourite cartoon character: Darkwing Duck
# Comments
Comments: 290
No problem. Keep up the good work. There aren't enough people out there appreciating passionate kisses.
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Check your alt or my page. Didn't see your message from earlier till now... XD Willing to work things out~ (don't mind the block on this account, it's my cousin's account... would rather do stuff on the main one.)
-DawnOfStefan
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and Lola didn't want the lusting, that just happened.
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Don't you remember the night of the big game? When she was swaying her hips and moving her hands around her body as she came onto the court?
She's sexy and she knows it.
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Exaggerate how? She was doing all that. She wasn't blissfully ignorant of the audiences' horny gaze or ignoring them. She knew and fed on it.
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no, she didn't like it. she told Bugs off about it.she just wasn't going to change how she liked to dress becaus of it.
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Yes she DID like it. Otherwise, why wave her hips, run her hands around her body, and smile while coming into the court? Lola's only issue is people calling her "doll" for whatever arbitrary reason. And it had nothing to do with how she dressed (everyone on the team was in the same uniform anyway). She was rolling in the attention given to her body. She fed on that attention.
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at least some old Lola fans don't see it. including me, I don't like boobs so I have to go to fan made stuff to be arroused by her.
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You'd have to be blind to not see that Lola was rolling in the attention of the audience. Just go look at the scene again next time you get the chance. Lola's only qualm is guys calling her Doll. Otherwise, they can ogle her all they want.
It's not about the viewer being aroused (I wasn't even talking about the viewers). It's about Lola reveling in the attention she was getting from the audience who came to the basketball game. Even if the folks watching Space Jam doesn't think Lola is attractive, its obvious that in-universe, she's perceived as attractive.
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that was an unimportant part of her character, though.
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Says you. She barely had ANY character. She didn't even have 10 lines. And from those lines plus her appearances we got that
-as long you don't call her doll, you can ogle her all you want. She may even put on a display.
-she's good at basketball.
-she likes boys who can save her tush.
Wow. SOME character.
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the damsel in disress part, her fans like to ignore.
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And they also seem to ignore her being fine with being a lusty spectacle. So if we arbitrarily ignore those 2 details, we are left with a character who likes basketball and........nothing else.
That's pretty poor for what is supposed to be a LT character.
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not for the girls who got into basket ball because of her.
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You can't account for taste. Though maybe one day, those girls can look back at Lola for what she truly was instead of hanging on to their idealized headcanon Lola.
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the new show is in a more realistic setting, Lola shouldn't get away scott free. I'm not saying she should have ended up in the jail cell but she should lean from her mistakes and grow as a character. and I don't usually go all "think of the children", in fact, almost never but this I can't ignore.
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The setting is more modern, but these are still Looney Tunes characters. They don't grow as characters. In any period. They do change, but not because of character development, but instead a different writer offering their own little spin. Though it should be noted Lola certainly wasn't unapologetic about her antics.
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appologitic? that's not how I read the episode recap.
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Did you read the episode or watch it? Lola wasn't proud of her inability to come clean about everything to her dad and expected Bugs to not be proud either.
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she was still forgiven right on the spot.
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You could argue she should've gotten more than just feeling bad about her own actions, but at the end of the day she still got some kind of negative thing. She didn't walk away like nothing happened or forget what she did at the end.
LTs are still not where you go if you want to teach kids anything beyond laughter.
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guess what, in this day and age, characters that have no character development, even episodic development, are horrible characters.
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No. That is NOT an objective statement. Not every character needs to develop to be a good character. Not every story is about character development. Some beloved characters remain stagnant throughout their stories but remain beloved. You ESPECIALLY don't need Looney Tunes characters to be doing this. And I hope you aren't going to say LT characters are horrible characters now.
I appreciate TLTS's continuity nods and whatever, but I don't watch it cause I want some big story where characters learn lessons and become better people. I watch it to be entertained through laughter. That's the intent of the show.
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name one other franchise that doesn't have character development.
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Marvel and DC have plenty of characters who regardless of the events changing around their life, they remain the same as always. Like Batman or Captain America? How about the game Tales of Vesperia who's main character doesn't change at all, but he's considered one of (if not the best) protagonists in the series. Note that a character having hidden depths (details about the character being revealed that weren't initially apparent) isn't the same as character development. That's just fleshing them out.
And of course, short little stories made solely to make people laugh aren't required to make its characters develop in order to be entertaining or make the characters not-horrible.
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well, hidden depths is nessasary too. and those comic characters have too developed.
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Hidden depths is necessary if you want a versatile character (which Looney Tune headliners usually are). Character development isn't. You don't need that to have a not horrible character.
Batman started as a billionaire nutbag with childhood trauma who beats up criminals at night cause he is certain it makes a difference. This started in 1939. Through all the people he met, events and retcons that happened to him over these 74 or so years of publication, his character is pretty much the same.
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I am actually not that familiar with comics but I know the DC and Marvel Animated universes, there is definetly development and hidden depths there. and the new Lola only shows hidden depths twice from what I can gather.
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There are many DC and Marvel animated universes. Some that offer a new spin on an old character, and others that don't. But there is only one constant DC and Marvel universe, and it's pretty stagnant with its characters.
And once is really all you need. You don't need a character to constantly show something new about themselves everytime they are in a new story. Especially with comedic stories.
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and there is a consistent DC animated universe. the shows produced by Warner Bros in the ninties and early early 2000s are in the same universe.
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That universe is done. It finished with Justice League Unlimited. And even while it was still going, there was still other none-DCAU shows coming out
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it happens a ton of times in all the shows I watch.
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Doesn't mean every show does it or that every show SHOULD do it though.
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that has become the standard of shows these days. I grew up with shows like that, even ones that were more light hearted like Road Rovers still had some meaningful character moments.
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Has it really? Cause I look at Regular Show and see the same Mordecai and Rigby from Season 1. I look at Gravity Falls and see the same Dipper and Mabel. I look at the Amazing World of Gumball and see the same Gumball and Darwin. Then I think of some shows from the past. Courage the Cowardly Dog had absolutely no character development, yet that show is critically acclaimed. It didn't NEED character development. Same for pre-movie Spongebob or Ed, Edd, n Eddy.
Character development is a tool, but not an essential one for every story. Everyone isn't hopping on a train for it now. And they shouldn't. It has its place, but not in every place.
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all those shows are completely cartoon, unlike the new LT show.
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No. They really aren't. When you have a setting like TLTS (a show with talking anthro animals (including a duck who can take his beak off), a martian, a witch and her hairy monster son (with a house full of typical magic and witch stuff), an evil turtle that keeps making the Grinch face, and other things. All while doing things like raiding tombs, busting out of prisons, jumping off buildings in the middle of interviews, getting turned into weird creatures, performing reverse jewel heists, etc.), there is no grounds to be claiming the show is anything but cartoon.
And regardless of all that, being "completely cartoon" or not doesn't prove that a show needs character development or that every show needs it.
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it only doesn't need it if it is absolutely cartoony. the new show is more realistic. again, MORE realistic.
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TLTS isn't as wacky as the old shorts, but it is still pretty dang wacky and cartoony and about the same level as shows like Regular Show and the rest I mentioned. I wouldn't dare make the argument that what it needs is character development. With that cast of characters and that selection of plots and events? Yeah no. What it "needs" is to be enteraining through humor. That's what the show is about. People aren't watching Bugs and friends to see if they learn to be better people and fix their flaws. They are watching to see what wacky hinjinx they get in that day and how funny it will be. People don't watch to see Lola be less of a scatterbrain or Daffy less of an egotistic jerk. They watch to see where their traits will take them through the episode's plot. With the expectation being it will be a funny ride.
On another note, even if a show isn't absolutely cartoony, it STILL doesn't need character development. And not just comedies. People aren't reading Sherlock Holmes to see him become a new man. They are reading because they want to see him solve a case. People aren't watching horror movies just to see the protagonist(s) change from how they are established. They want to see how they deal with the story's horror. People weren't watching Samurai Jack to to see him fix his flaws. They wanted to see him take on whatever obstacles were in his way to defeating Aku and getting back home.
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and character development can tie into a plot that isn't solely about the character's growth.
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And that is still not Looney Tunes territory.
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Cause as I've said several times, people don't watch Looney Tunes for character development. They watch it for silly characters doing silly things.
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and if they hadn't changed Lola, I wouldn't have a problem with that. though, it's sort of a hallow thing, comparing comedy to drama is like the heltheyness of sugar and fruit.
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What does Lola's new characterization have to do with trying to shoehorn character development in a place where it doesn't belong?
I don't get your lines about comedy and drama comparison. All I'm saying is that Looney Tunes were never about drama, serious story telling, and all that jazz you can find in more suitable shows out there.
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