Jeysie In reply to CharityGuildmaster [2015-01-16 23:08:46 +0000 UTC]

Hey, I'm sorry I didn't respond (much) sooner; I kind of shuffled off to Tumblr because most of my friends went over there and the forum people here were driving me crazy.

Life's been kind of meh, but I'm hanging in there. Hope everything's been OK for you.

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semi-surreal In reply to Jeysie [2015-03-03 03:36:08 +0000 UTC]

haha, "the forum people here were driving me crazy" - me, too!
I seldom go on the forums anymore; instead, I write brilliant essays & journals for the masses (yes, brilliant, haha).

Hey Liz, Happy (upcoming) Birthday!
You'll be in "my" demographic then: 35-49.

*too old to argue about anything anymore*

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Jeysie In reply to Alda-Rana [2014-03-17 17:28:44 +0000 UTC]

I feel a little embarrassed now; I had forgotten about DA's new mention system. X3

But you're welcome, it's always good to come across the Discworld fans around here; they have such enthusiasm and whimsy in their art.

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Jeysie In reply to ShadesofGrey18 [2014-03-14 20:10:54 +0000 UTC]

Thanks.

I've been disillusioned with feminism ever since I first realized that it wasn't about equality like I thought it was.

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ShadesofGrey18 In reply to Jeysie [2014-03-15 01:20:26 +0000 UTC]

Yet folks will say the nastiest thing imaginable to defend it. It's baffling. :/

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Jeysie In reply to ShadesofGrey18 [2014-03-15 01:32:22 +0000 UTC]

It's a lot like a religion, really. Or possibly a gang. Something that women latch onto so they can feel like they belong to something.

Which is also probably a chunk of why I never gelled with it; I have never been able to feel like I fit in around a group of women, compared to being able to fit in around a group of men, so I never developed any particular need for loyalty.

There's a big sense of blind sisterhood among women, which is only obvious if you don't fit into it.

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ShadesofGrey18 In reply to Jeysie [2014-03-15 04:03:50 +0000 UTC]

That sounds about right. I wouldn't know exactly; I'm a guy, but I've seen that kind of thing firsthand. It's kind of... disturbing, almost.

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Jeysie In reply to ShadesofGrey18 [2014-03-15 14:16:18 +0000 UTC]

It's like the female version of the Bro Code, except even more insular. If you betray the sisterhood you might as well have declared World War III.

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ShadesofGrey18 In reply to Jeysie [2014-03-15 19:45:35 +0000 UTC]

Eesh. Sounds... unpleasant.

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Jeysie In reply to ShadesofGrey18 [2014-03-15 20:41:15 +0000 UTC]

Yeah...

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Jeysie In reply to Raenafyn [2014-03-05 13:37:20 +0000 UTC]

Thanks. X3

That kinda reminds me of a funny recent story: My mom has a doctor's appointment on the 10th but is currently in a rehab place rather than at home, so I asked her to call me the day before to remind me to meet her up at the doctor's, just in case. She calls me on the 2nd, saying the doctor's appointment is tomorrow.

"Er, I thought the appointment was on the 10th?"

"It is."

"Tomorrow's the 3rd, mom."

"What? No. Today is the..."

"Second."

"Are you sure?"

"Yes. The day before the 10th would be the 9th, and I'm not 34 yet."

"Oops. Goodness, I'm losing it. Er, sorry about that."

"It's OK, thank you for reminding me like I asked. You just need to do it again in a week."

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Raenafyn In reply to Jeysie [2014-03-05 17:24:16 +0000 UTC]

Well, I suppose the early reminder helps XD I would have totally thought they moved the appointment, lol. Then again, with doctors I think they'd be more prone to push appointments back than make them earlier, unless 20 people suddenly dropped their visits and there's space.

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Jeysie In reply to semi-surreal [2014-02-23 16:59:19 +0000 UTC]

Tumblr, for a lot of reasons. X3

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Jeysie In reply to teh-11 [2013-10-11 22:36:41 +0000 UTC]

And reading further I see she's engaging in the typical feminist behavior of misrepresenting one of my arguments because she can't make an intellectually honest response to what was actually said in the full context. It's like feminists are literally incapable of not slandering people who disagree with them.

It's also funny watching her whine because she's not mature enough to accept that advertising for something means you're going to get offers you didn't want in addition to ones you do, because there's no magic spell that enables getting attention only from perfect specimens. It's like putting out an ad for a job and then complaining that not all of the 100 or whatever applications you got were the person you wanted to hire, and you had to actually still send a nice form letter to the 99 applicants who lost out versus getting to tell them to fuck off losers. Actually, you know, it's even worse than that, as at least with a job ad the person applying has some valid idea ahead of time of what you'd want.

She really just wants a blanket excuse to be an asshole to everyone who isn't perfect enough for her, and likes to bitch and whine that folks like me won't let her get away with it.

And she's also still so obsessed with rape and molestation when rape is thankfully rare and most issues with provocative clothing are flirting/catcalling/staring, which can be annoying but are not on the same level as rape no matter much feminists want them to be. In fact, it cheapens rape and is insulting to rape victims to consider them to be on the same level.

Feminists would get taken a lot more seriously if they stopped false extremeing everything, refusing to take any responsibility for not acting like assholes, and being unable to deal with criticism in a mature and honest manner.

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Jeysie In reply to teh-11 [2013-10-11 22:15:19 +0000 UTC]

And this comment: comments.deviantart.com/18/190… by phoenixleo and a skim of the article seems to confirm my latent suspicions; the commentary in the article isn't proof that clothing is subjective, but proof that at most a few stray extremist people have a view that almost nobody else would credibly share, or at worst is a shoddy argument meant to be a coverup for an entirely different problem--namely, religious bigotry, not sexism.

One person making what would probably be generally considered as a bad argument related to the norm isn't suddenly proof that the norm isn't really the norm.

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Jeysie In reply to teh-11 [2013-10-11 21:37:45 +0000 UTC]

I've already expounded at length regards my views of Witwitch's very poor understanding of social mores. For someone who claims to want to change the world, she seems completely unwilling to study how it actually works first, so her methods can be productive/successful. Instead she seems to have it in her head that the way she wishes things worked is already how they work, and cries and whines at anyone who tries correcting her. I find that to be a typical failing of many SJWs, which is sad because they're setting the progress towards equality back something awful in the process, the least of which reason being that they look like complete morons to anyone who's not an SJW.

About the only area I really agree with on this specifically is that it's objectively dubious that an article of clothing explicitly not designed to attract attention to the body (and indeed explicitly designed to do the exact opposite) can be said to be sexual in a general sense.

The rest is just hilarious, as I wonder how delusional you have to be to deny the obvious fact that there is plenty of clothing explicitly and objectively designed to attract attention. I mean, FFS, for example, over on Tumblr I've had my dash full of her fellow feminists whining about sexy Halloween costumes for women; maybe I should tell them that their fellow feminist over on DA says there's no such thing as sexy clothing and that I propose ergo the Tumblr feminists should just solve their problem by choosing to view the costumes as not sexy because sexiness is subjective? I have to admit there'd be a certain appeal in getting to use one feminist's delusions to counter some other feminists' frivolous complaints.

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semi-surreal In reply to Jeysie [2013-10-20 01:24:41 +0000 UTC]

..."sexy Halloween costumes for women"...

is that going to be your next deviation?

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Jeysie In reply to HIPPITY-HATRED [2013-09-06 18:45:23 +0000 UTC]

Good idea, being drunk might make tolerating the whiny shit behavior easier.

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Jeysie In reply to Kostmeyer [2013-08-13 00:28:28 +0000 UTC]

No problem! There needs to be more art of the cranky Englishman.

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Kostmeyer In reply to Jeysie [2013-08-13 11:26:05 +0000 UTC]

Thought you meant me at first! You're right though - the world needs more Pete Wisdom art!

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Jeysie In reply to Kostmeyer [2013-08-14 15:36:00 +0000 UTC]

Hee hee. Sorry, I was thinking of New Excalibur. (Though I realize I misquoted, it's abrasive Englishman.)

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Jeysie In reply to azrael-ink [2013-06-01 18:07:50 +0000 UTC]

??? Uhm, da fuq?

1. You might want to check you have the right person before posting on someone's profile next time.
2. I really don't give a flying fuck what Complaints does, so please don't bother linking me to threads about them even when you have the right person.

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azrael-ink In reply to Jeysie [2013-06-01 18:41:20 +0000 UTC]

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Jeysie In reply to azrael-ink [2013-06-01 19:09:59 +0000 UTC]

"Because the only time you talk about feminism is in a negative way, so that makes you look like a huge misogynist."

Because, man, you just can't agree with a given cause while thinking the main movement employs a really shittastic way of promoting it.

You can't instead identify with the growing equalist/egalitarian movement that supports women's rights in a healthier and more productive manner.

You can't obviously post agreement with women's rights on a regular basis, such as threads like these: [link] [link]

You can't be sitting here obviously a woman, and thus quite obviously doesn't hate herself.

You can't be sitting here rolling your eyes at someone who ignored 75% of the details and context of what you said to make a braindead conclusion about your views.

If you want to know what a misogynist thinks of the thread, go ask an actual misogynist. Fucking duh? And you feminists wonder why I can't stand you morons. If you want to support my rights, stop fucking whining about things like catcalling and, I don't know, maybe do something about things like the conservatives busy blocking birth control, sex ed, and abortion access in multiple states and trying to turn us into like Ireland and El Salvador where women are dying from forced pregnancies? Maybe that's a little more important, ya? Priorities? Sorry, I guess that makes me a misogynist because I consider things like my reproductive rights more important than a dude telling "Hey baby!" at me?

Where's the Complaints thread about "Hey a woman just almost fucking died because her country wanted to force her to give birth to a baby with no brain, and there's states trying to jail women for having miscarriages, and other states where the last abortion clinic is going to close, and still other states where thousands or millions of women have no access to reproductive care because the Planned Parenthoods got cut, and abstinence-only sex ed is still a thing, etc." Eh? Where's that thread? Oh, wait, clearly whether or not a woman cuts her hair was more important to complain about. Yeah, that really shows you feminists are more righteous than I am.

Come back when you have a leg to stand on.

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azrael-ink In reply to Jeysie [2013-06-01 20:08:42 +0000 UTC]

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Jeysie In reply to azrael-ink [2013-06-01 20:23:32 +0000 UTC]

You said, and I quote: "well i wanted to know what a misogynist would think about that thread."

As I thoroughly established, I'm obviously not a misogynist.

So saying I dodged the question is as dumb fuck of you as if I asked you what it feels like to have testicles, you pointed out you're a woman and thus wouldn't really know, and I said, well, you dodged my question.

Of course, your attempt to save face and not admit you got schooled with your hilariously flimsy justification of dumb fuck feminist priorities shows you already know this.

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Jeysie In reply to DarkATX [2013-05-25 16:53:26 +0000 UTC]

No problem, I like your painterly style. I like the pose you chose, too.

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Jeysie In reply to Jae-Zraela [2013-05-18 22:16:50 +0000 UTC]

Ooh, and now we have butthurt from Svataben, AKA the person who thought I was a rape apologist because she doesn't understand the concept of reductio ad absurdum. And the person who says that it's less of a big deal when a 10-year-old boy gets raped than when a woman does... then denies she said it.

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Jae-Zraela In reply to Jeysie [2013-05-18 22:37:41 +0000 UTC]

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Jeysie In reply to Jae-Zraela [2013-05-18 22:47:02 +0000 UTC]

Yes, she's the one who called me a rape apologist because she doesn't understand classic debate techniques... but I'm the dense one. Gotcha.

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divine--apathia In reply to Jeysie [2013-05-19 00:05:15 +0000 UTC]

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Jeysie In reply to divine--apathia [2013-05-19 00:35:01 +0000 UTC]

Actually, I mostly use facts and statistical data, and only resort to anecdotes when there isn't more objective data available. Plus most people around here don't even bother with anecdotes when debating with me, but just go "lol ur wrong" and then expect me to agree. But loldoublestandards as usual.

And, I never use ad hominem, actually. If I call someone loony or an idiot, it's because they expressed a point I found loony or idiotic. And if someone said in turn that I was stupid or an idiot for an on-topic comment I made, that'd be one thing and not what I'd consider a personal attack.

Instead, it'll be like, we're discussing something like gay marriage, I make a point, and next thing I know it's that I never went to college, I don't have a job, complaining I'm a bitch, or you know, stuff that generally has fuck all to do with the validity of my opinion on gay marriage or whichever. That's a personal attack.

Incidentally, so you're saying I don't deserve to have any self-confidence in my ability to debate? Just checking.

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divine--apathia In reply to Jeysie [2013-05-19 00:56:44 +0000 UTC]

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Jeysie In reply to divine--apathia [2013-05-19 01:27:24 +0000 UTC]

"Calling me crazy is a 'direct personal attack', no matter how you want to frame it."

So basically, if someone says something loony, I'm not allowed to say I think they're loony? What if they are ignorant or uninformed, is that OK? How about if they're bigoted or sexist?

Oh noes, we can't have accurate assessments of people's opinions if they're negative, people's feelings might be hurt.

Like I said, I certainly can live with people saying my own points are stupid, ignorant, sexist, bigoted, etc. if they actually think they are. It's when people start attacking me based on stuff having nothing to do with the topic at hand that it bugs me.

Of course, ironically you folks are saying I'm loony, stupid, and so on in that Complaints thread... while bitching that I do it. Loldoublestandardslol. Maybe you should clean up your own behavior before you bitch about mine, yis?

"Hell, in the forum I go to, you're not even allowed to say things like 'you're lying.'"

Wow, are you guys a bunch of pantywaists. No wonder you get so pissy at debating, if you're used to places where you're not even allowed to call someone out on BS.

Personally, if I think someone is acting poorly, I call them out on it in the hopes they'll shape up.

"You, however, have brushed me off, simply because I'm young,"

When your age is actually relevant to how likely you are to understand a topic, yes. When it's not relevant, I don't bring it up.

"because I believe in social justice etc."

Because you tend to do it too often in a Social Justice Warrior way rather than a sane one, yes.

Guess what? I believe in social justice too. I just hate the batshit fucking insane way the SJW folks handle the various topics.

"Is politics a forum for formal debating, and are you debating formally on politics? no."

Well, obviously. If this was a forum where people understood how to formally debate, I wouldn't be dealing with this bullshit on a regular basis. Since nobody would get butthurt at me to begin with.

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divine--apathia In reply to Jeysie [2013-05-19 01:49:08 +0000 UTC]

And actually, no. I called what you SAID loony. A little bit different.


That belief is stupid =/= you are stupid.

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