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This is what I hate about the thinking of some Avatar fans. How can it be racist;1. There is no "Asia".
2. Stupid hypocrites (and I do stress the word "stupid"), it's not racist to use other actors, it's racist to let only Asians play the roles and tell everyone else they can't be in it.
And they dare to call themselves True Avatar Fans. Hating an Avatar live action movie without giving it a chance . . . That sounds exactly like the thinking of a Naruto fan to me . . .
POINT IS
There's only four nationalities and "Asian" is not one of them.
Aang is not an Asian, he's an Air Nomad
Katara is not Asian, she's Water Tribe
Toph is not Asian, she's Earth Kingdom
Zuko is not Asian, he's Fire Nation
Look at Star Wars, everyone who's the same species as Luke Skywalker is "human", there is no "black homey" and "white boy".
When Mace tells Anakin to take a seat; Anakin is not thinking "Master Windu, why don't you go back to picking cotton?" And when Han doesn't like Lando hitting on Leia, Lando's not thinking "you're just jealous because my black dick's thicker" (that's what he says in the Star Wars Gangsta Rap to Yoda).
Point is, there's no real world history in a fictional universe.
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and yet their nationality isn't Asian.
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I think if you look at Katara and Sokka in the animation, their skin is a darker shade. And the actors they chose for the film are distinctly white.
The Water Tribes are inspired by Inuit culture, a non-Caucasian race, and by ignoring that influence and casting white people as Katara and Sokka, it's removing an opportunity for People of Color to have more casting opportunities.
White people are in the media. All. The. Time. Whiteness is the norm for our society, and People of Color don't have the same equality in the media (really, watch TV other than BET and count how many POC there are.)
The influences of the TV show are Asian, Inuit, Mayan... distinctly not "White" but the casting of the film ignored those influences and inspirations and just did the same old white casting.
That, and note how the fire-nation are all darker skinned (Dev Patel and Aasif Mandvi are Indian) thereby continuing the stereotyping that dark skin is bad, and light skin is good.
And while the four nations of Airbender and the world of Star Wars are fictional places, that's all the more reason to have more POC cast. I won't complain about Pixar's BRAVE about not having POC, because that is set in a specific place and time - Medieval Scotland. But in a world like Disney's TANGLED, or Star Wars, or Airbender - these are made up places. You can have anyone, anywhere do anything and look like anything. So why is always populated with White people? Because white is the norm, but just because it is the norm, doesn't mean that it's right, or okay to ignore POC.
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lol, silly me. When I was talking about character that don't feel Asian, I said "Long Xin". I meant Long Feng, lol. Long Xin is a character in my own Avatar fan fiction. Silly mix up there.
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Ok, well I heard it wasn't really about white people being good, it was just who they picked to be the actors of the main characters and the cultures were casted around them, which I think that was a great idea.
But I guess they should have maybe just said "screw that" and just casted people with the color of the characters, like you can cast white people, but for white skin characters, like Aang, as someone tan, like Hispanic for Katara and Sokka.
For the movie, it was actally characted;
Earth Kingdom: Asians (and one black village seen so far)
Fire Nation: Middle Eastern
Air Nomads: Mix of nationality
Northern Water Tribe: White (and Gran Gran came from here, so that's why Katara and Sokka are white)
Southern Water Tribe: Native Americans
But I just hate when people are like "Avatar is Anime, so the characters are Asian", because then it's like "so if a created a dark skin Anime character based entirely on Whoopi Goldberg, this is an Asian character?"
I mean, I don't mind them using anyone created in the movie, but I think its silly to say all the characters are Asian when many of them don't feel Asain.
Voice is a big part of personality. Aang is voiced by a white kids and his eyes look too big and round to be Asian. Ozai is voiced by Luke Skywaler, Long Xin voiced by Mr. Krabs, Zhao voiced by Lucius Malfoy, its had to see them as Asian when not only they don't look Asian, but they don't even sound Asian.
Now many characters like Joo Doo do look Asian, and she's even voiced by an Asian character. Same with Master Yu and Monk Gyatso.
When I first say Zuko and Iroh, they looked white to me, but with their Asian voices, I began to see them more as Asian, especially when Zuko's hair grows out.
Azula looks white to me, but really funny when I saw Rush Hour 2, and you see that Chinese women go crazy in the end, I'm like "OMG, that's Crazy Azula!" lol
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tht is a lot of arguing. y is there so many spam?
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Because the general public are idiots (which is also why the world is so screwed up).
By idiots, they
*Can't except the fact that some see The Last Airbender as the best of 2010
*Think they can change other peoples minds with their comments
*Get ruder when others don't agree
*They try to for their opinions onto others
*They soon were out their welcome, if they which to bash the movie, they have no business here on the posters of those who love the movie; as there's public discussion boards for that
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i think ppl r just expressing their opinion, it is an art site after all. if u post something like this, it's inevitable that someone will respond and express themselves
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Yeah, but just because they have the power to bash, doesn't mean I can't reply back and block them if they don't take a hint (that you're getting annoying).
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that's a lot of ppl who u blocked!
anyways, i didn't like the movie.
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Well that's a lot of people who were rude. They deserve to be blocked if they can't be considerate.
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They didn't mispronounce names, it's the Asian way of saying them, and they can't put everything into the movie, some things have to be cut from it.
And of course Sokka isn't funny, he didn't lighten up until season two?
Aang isn't robotic, I've seen lots of emotion in his character.
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Well no one even Avatar is Asian ether as there is no Asia, and even then most characters in Avatar don't look like Asian people. That's like trying to say Mace Windu is African rather than Korun.
Aang does some like a cheerful kid in the beginning, he just takes on the tone of a child dealing with a war, and that'd be common among children.
And yeah, the movie was very successful, biggest money making movie in Nick Movie history; it was an incredible movie that tons of people loved.
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Katara isn't Caucasian in the movie, just like in the cartoon, she's Water Tribe in the movie, so there was no "racebending" going on, other wise Katara would be Fire Nation or Earth Kingdom.
Many aspects of the characters were the same, Katara was motherly, Sokka was too serious (in Book 1), Aang was cheerful in the beginning and still wanted to protect people in the movie, and not everything can be the same as the cartoon.
Here's a link that shows people who agree that there are no Earth races in Avatar;
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It was M. Nights choose to use Asian pronunciation, but they're not called "Asian pronunciation" in the movie's point of view as you'd need an Asia for that? But just because the pronunciations change, that doesn't mean anything as the movie was very true to the cartoon in many different ways.
Just because some people don't like the movie, doesn't make it bad, it just makes those people narrowminded. I've talked to tons of people who loved the movie and are dying to see the sequel, which shows the movie was successful enough to pass.
I'm being all serious.
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Well M. Night was just trying to keep the four nations looking all the same in their nation, he wasn't looking for race when casting the main characters, and just a light skin color isn't much of a difference the way I see it; after all Kingpin is black in Daredevil.
Katara is still a kid, she's motherly, but has to be a kid too. Well Sokka wasn't overly serious in the movie, just normally seriously, and I can see that relating to Sokka in the cartoon. After all, the movie is darker than the cartoon which also explains Aang's subtle change in personality. I still saw much of their personalities of all the characters throughout the film.
As for Y/A; and yet everyone seemed to agree with me. And many "virgins" also agreed the movie was great. The bad reviewers speak for themselves, not for everyone.
The meditate wasn't bad, it was straight out and simple. It's like with Star Wars: Episode III, many fans complain for nothing; the love of his life is dead, so what is Darth Vader said "Nooooooooo", what was he suppose to say, "I don't give a shit, because I'm on the Dark Side now"?
From what I heard when I was in Spain in 2004, they called Spider-Man "Speeder-Man", so it's not like changing pronunciation is uncommon.
I'm not looking at any more links, they're just a bunch of dilholes who can only feel happy by bashing other peoples hard work.
TLA still made about 170 mill when you take the price of the movie from the gross, and that's a lot of money.
The movie wasn't a failure, it was very successful as tons of fans still loved it. The negative word of mouth was not plentiful enough to overcome the positive.
It isn't just "some" people, is it a LARGE amount of the viewers. In fact, it's hard to believe I'm the first person you've met that defended this movie.
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I'm not making up what I've send about M. Night, unlike you, I have better things to do than waste time looking for sources just to prove a point, I'm already wasting enough time as it is reading your bullshit.
I believe I already said he wasn't looking for race before casting the main cast, it goes without saying once that was done, he casted the rest another them.
FOR THE LAST TIME, SOKKA IS NOT UPLIFTING IN SEASON 1, HE'S NORMALLY SERIOUS. I'm beginning to think you've never even seen Avatar: The Last Airbender. Sokka didn't lighten much up until Book 2, until then he was basically overly grumpy.
That A/Y link is proof enough that people agree that races doesn't mean anything, and some where willing to give it a chance, and of course many loved it, only a retard would think everyone in the world thinks the same way.
*skipping over paragraphs, from the Y/A quote all the way down to the "This movie was nationally" paragraphs; that's 17 paragraphs skipped*
I already said; "I'm not looking at any more links, they're just a bunch of dilholes who can only feel happy by bashing other peoples hard work.", so because you don't see to know how to read, you just wasted a large amount of your life typing pointless shit.
It doesn't matter what the world thinks, because the world is filled with mostly morons and idiots. Just because many didn't like the movie, that doesn't mean anything as tons of fans loved the movie, that's why it's the best movie of 2010, because it pleased tons of fans, despite what some think.
You're the one being bias, I'm not. There's more than one way to look at thinks and you only care about what you think.
Also, trying to force others to agree is a waste of your own life, as
1. You can't change anyone's mind with comments
2. The only reason I keep coming back is because you're bugging ON MY poster.
Any idiot could tell I didn't agree with you with the first comment which means you should have ended it there because you were going to get anywhere.
Over all, 320 million, higher than any movie in Nick history, and tons of fans who still loved it no matter what, a movie that was close to the cartoon and quite enjoyable to those who saw the many similarities, it was definitely the Best Movie of 2010 . . .
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Wait.
If I create a Black race (name of it and its three divisions pending) in fictional fantasy universe, they're automatically NOT Black because there's no Africa?
man that really blows... I guess I'll have to scrap my works or just use White-out on my Black based fantasy race.... *is sad*
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Well is you said they look like Black people, that would mean something,
but for Avatar, I've searched multiple places and I haven't found anything where the creators labelled them as Asian, just that it's an Asian based world (like the buildings and everything).
I guess what I mean is if they never actually label the people as Asian, then the world doesn't necessarily make them Asian.
I guess also it doesn't seem to make sense to me just to assume Avatar people are Asian just because Avatar is Anime. Everything is Anime is gonna look Asian, so how would Whites, Blacks and Hispanics look in Anime if that was so? Personally I don't see most Avatar characters as Asian; as while appearance is one thing; it's really about voice; and most Avatar characters are voiced by white people, those leases the feel of being Asian. I'll admit Iron looked white to me at first, but because of his voice actor, I began to see him more as Asian over time.
Basically I just see it as the only stated nationalities in Avatar are AN, WT, EK and FN, so that's the true definition of their nationality.
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I don't agree but I respect your opinion. I will not try to change your mind on this whole situation but regardless of my own opinion, this argument in itself is lack consistency . Saying Avatar's characters cannot be asian because there not really in Asia is like saying Batman is not from the United State cause you cannot find Gotham City anywere on a US map (yet people would make a petition if he wasn't played by a 100% white (Half Asian/Latino) U.S actor).
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Actually it's your argument in itself is lack consistency. Mine on the other head makes sense.
Your example doesn't work, because while Gotham City doesn't exist, it's very clear that it's a fictional city in the United States, even on the DC Wiki, it says Gotham City is in New Jersey.
There is no Asia in the Avatar world, and I doubt there's a portal in a cave in China that leads to the Avatar world like an Alice in Wonderland kind of thing.
It's like how no one goes by "race" in Star Wars, they go by species, so black and white may as well just be a genetic thing like hair color rather than a nationality thing, as they are all called "humans".
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Like I said, my goal wasn't to make you change your mind on this topic, I just wanted to point out that your argument didn't work too well imo (quoting wikipedia didn't help neither) and so is the starwars argument,comparing the two doesn't look like a fair comparaison.Anyway, since it seems like we both like to debate and were too stuburn on our position i think we should and this right here cause it will last forever. So belive what you wanna belive.
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lol, this is funny. I agree with Winter, you make such a bad argument and hated it when he pointed it out, so you try to cover it by denying his logal in a vien effort to make yourself look less like an idiot that you already are.
And if you read what he said, "DC Wiki", anybody knows you can't trusted "wikipedia". With DC Wiki, he means this link,
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It's separate from wikipedia, it'a an encyclopedia that specializes in DC Comics.
From what I see, you're both not stuburned . . . It's only you who's stuburned as anyone can tell he clearly meant if doesn't take place in any real world setting of any kind, then real world races don't exist.
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Excuse me? Did you just skip over everything I said? My argument holds up just find and is a very fair comparison, you're argument on the other hand did not hold up at all as it was a stupid comparison which is also unfair.
Avatar is not "Asian" just as much as Star Wars humans are not "black and white" because it's not the real world Earth.
You can't compare Batman's Americanism to that, because while he's in a fictional city it's a city in a real world country.
I'm not changing to change mind, but it feels you don't like what I think, so you immediately dismiss it as crap when I clearly pointed out what I meant and have already once clearly pointed out the flaw in your comparison.
Avatar: No Asia, not Asian
Star Wars: No Africa and Europe, not black and white (planet of originals for humans is even unknown)
Batman: Takes place on Earth, in America. No duh he's an American.
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While I didn't like the movie, I did think it was a little pointless whining about the lack of Asians in the film. In fact, most of the actors looked dead on like their characters. My issue was how much the sucked the personality out of the characters. Such as Aang and Katara. Don't know if that was Shamalan's fault or not though
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Well I feel the actors for Aang and Katara did a great job fulling the personalities of their characters.
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I don't know, Aang is supposed to happy, energetic, and fun. From what I've seen, movie Aang is very bland
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Well personality wise, I see Aang, it's just a matter of what mood he's in the way I see it.
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It was an okay movie. The only complain I have about it is that it seems to move too fast.
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Yeah, it'd be nice if it was longer.
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Yeah. They could have at least keep the subplot involving Master Pakku.
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you keep on saying bad things about naruto fans.....
(i used to like it)
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I hear a lot that Avatar and Naruto big rivals (if Avatar was Catholic, then Naurto would be Jewish, no, on second thought, Atheist).
I thought that if I compared TLA-Bashers to Narato fans, lots of Avatar fans who bash the movie would find that offense.
This was back when TLA-bashers were bashing the movie and M. Night for trying his best, just like if they (TLA-Bashers) were a bunch of Republican bashing a Democrat just because Democrats doesn't agree with Bush's idea of killing people just for oil money.
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umm (refrences to american politics......)
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i was in full agreement until the Naruto fan jab. ouch haha
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Oh, I just felt some Avatar fans who are bashers would find it insulting to be compared to Naruto fans; so it was really to angry the bashing Avatar fans.
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Thank you! i hate racebending. it isn't needed you have a great point
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i remember seeing it. i would love to see the 25 minutes that was cut. i loved the deleted scenes that were already on the dvd too
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Thanks, glad you agree with me
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yeah. it is kinda screwed up how people thought that way and boycotted the movie. to me, that isnt being a fan of the show at all.
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Yeah, I mean who boycotts a movie about a show they claim they like?
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exactly. it's sad. but on the bright side, we get korra!!!!!
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