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EmeraldKeefe [2012-05-16 01:19:06 +0000 UTC]
I prefer no romance since they were cousins, and I really like the Eöl/Aredhel pairing. And yay, another person who see Celegorm as blonde!!! I read somewhere Tolkien was going to give him 'gleaming golden hair' and that just supports my vision of him. Besides with him being called 'The Fair' I can't really picture him as anything else.
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Qitian In reply to EmeraldKeefe [2012-05-16 14:58:13 +0000 UTC]
To be fair (hah!), "fair" in many of Tolkien's sources just means "handsome", not necessarily "light" - that meaning only really came into being in Middle English. So whether "the Fair" really alludes to Celegorm's hair or rather to his face is open to debate.
However, I believe it's the "light" version as well.
They're only half-cousins. I really have to dig out my HoME books again to make sure, but I think I recall that's precisely why Tolkien made explicit that they were friends, not lovers: Because by the marriage laws of the Eldar, Celegorm and Aredhel would have been permitted to marry, had they wanted to.
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EmeraldKeefe In reply to Qitian [2012-05-16 22:54:48 +0000 UTC]
All the same I don't like the pairing Celegorm/Aredhel. It can sometimes be done tastefully, but most of the time it makes out Eöl to be a bad guy, which I don't believe he was. Eccentric, a bit of a control freak, and racist against Noldor (though he had very good reason to be) yes, but not some horrible abusive rapist. She wouldn't have pleaded on his behalf to be spared if he had been cruel.
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Qitian In reply to EmeraldKeefe [2012-05-17 10:45:56 +0000 UTC]
In the real world, victims of abusive husbands regularly defend said abusive husbands, to the point of painting themselves somehow responsible. Add Stockholm syndrome and the fact that Aredhel certainly loved her and Eöl's son, and her pleading for Eöl makes perfect sense despite his nature.
According to the book, he appears to have forced her to marry him/ sleep with him ("I'll let you go if you give me a son" is not exactly the nicest way of wooing someone), which is certainly duress if not outright rape.
So sorry, but in my understanding, Eöl is an abusive rapist. AND an eccentric racist control freak who takes revenge on his idea of the Noldor in everything he does to Aredhel (and to some extent, Maeglin, who is after all half-Noldo).
My personal thoughts on the matter notwithstanding, any romance between Celegorm and Aredhel could well have happened long before Aredhel ever met Eöl. I'm pretty sure that after Losgar, any feelings Aredhel may have had for Celegorm - friendly or romantic - would've turned cold...
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EmeraldKeefe In reply to Qitian [2012-05-18 00:45:17 +0000 UTC]
the thing is, if he had forced her to have sex with him, she would have died. And Elves have to both choose to conceive a child, as well.
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Qitian In reply to EmeraldKeefe [2012-05-18 10:37:29 +0000 UTC]
If you do some research, you'll find that the former is not quite as clear, and the latter is an entirely fanonic assumption based on the fact that Elves celebrate the begetting day of their children, not the birthday. The assumption then goes that as they know the day on which their child was begotten, they must either not have sex very often (so there's only one feasible date) or both choose (so they'll know just when they did that) or feel the moment an egg is fertilised (so, again, they'll know) . However, neither of these interpretations are offered by Tolkien, who instead says that an Elven pregnancy lasts precisely one year, so you know the begetting day by the birth day. (We can then safely assume that in "reality", there may well have been a span of days or even weeks around that day for the actual begetting, just as you'll rarely get the actual begetting day of a human child by going "birthday - 40 weeks", but the Elves just didn't care enough.)
Also, since he forced her by saying "I'll let you go if...", she would have agreed, though under duress. Not the most violent way possible, I'll grant you that (and thus possibly exempt from the "fading" route), but certainly forced intercourse by any modern and sensible interpretation of the term.
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EmeraldKeefe In reply to Qitian [2012-05-19 00:34:49 +0000 UTC]
Point granted. I just like Eöl and I don't know why.
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Qitian In reply to crossrhythm [2012-05-16 14:59:00 +0000 UTC]
I'd have to dig out the books to check for certain; I think it was The Peoples of Middle-earth though.
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haius [2012-02-15 22:47:05 +0000 UTC]
I also want her hair because it is amazing.
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hhimring [2011-11-16 22:26:44 +0000 UTC]
I really like the idea--and the execution as well!
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Aranov In reply to Qitian [2011-11-15 22:00:16 +0000 UTC]
Nice! I should do more research on Eastern stuff, apparently. They had /lots/ of good ideas.
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