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Pechschwinge — Hesinde und Amazeroth

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Published: 2014-11-30 19:00:06 +0000 UTC; Views: 19956; Favourites: 308; Downloads: 141
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Description Wisdom and thirst of knowledge constantly fighting.
How far you might go for achieving insight?

Copyright Ulisses Spiele, 2014

Edit: I've got notes and messages about this being an awesome tatoodesign. That might be true but I can't allow you getting it as a tatoo. I share copyright with my publisher at this one and unless you ask ulisses spiele in an email and get their okay on that.
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Tarvoc [2015-08-15 20:36:24 +0000 UTC]

I always thought Amazeroth represented a more modern understanding of knowledge and insight than Hesinde...

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Pechschwinge In reply to Tarvoc [2015-08-16 08:48:09 +0000 UTC]

Ja, hinsichtlich der Tatsachen, dass wir Tiere für den Fortschritt unserer Wissenschaft missbrauchen und in manch anderen Ländern, zum 2. Weltkrieg auch noch in Deutschland, Menschen für die Wissenschaft gequält und gefoltert haben nur um herauszufinden ab welchem temperaturabfall Gliedmaßen abfallen oder man geschockfrostet wird.
Wissen um jeden Preis, gell?

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Tarvoc In reply to Pechschwinge [2015-08-17 21:59:13 +0000 UTC]

Well, yes, that's the one side of it. The other side is that Amazeroth represents an eternal search for more knowledge and for revision of the old, while Hesinde in the end represents a more traditional understanding of "wisdom" as knowledge of one's own place in the Divine Order and complacency with it. That's essentially the medieval understanding of knowledge. It differs from the modern understanding of knowledge in that it causes less suffering for knowledge's sake, yes. But it also differs from the modern understanding of knowledge in that it doesn't produce modern medicine (which also saves many lives and eases suffering every day), modern computer technology (which allows us to post here in the first place), or in general our increasing understanding of the laws of nature. So in the end, it depends on what you want. Do you want to be complacent with your life on a farm, with obediently paying your tributes to your liege lord every month and with humbly accepting all your traditional superstitions? Or do you want to progress to a more modern world, with all the good things it brings, but also all the bad things? Either way, you can't have your cake and eat it.

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Pechschwinge In reply to Tarvoc [2015-08-17 22:33:41 +0000 UTC]

So einfach ist das nicht. Hesinde verbietet Fortschritt nicht - dennoch ruft sie zu Weisheit auf. Das vorsichtige abwägen zwischen nutzen und kosten faktor. Der nutzen ist das Wissen und die kosten sind die Moral. Wie viel darf man seine Moral, und somit Menschlichkeit, außer acht lassen um an das jeweilige Wissen zu gelangen?
Und betrachtet man mal Aventurien dann ist das Land, wo der Sitz der Hesindekirche liegt, eines der fortschrittlichten Länder überhaupt die Horasier erscheinen mir nicht wie Bauern, die den Fortschritt fürchten und lieber weiter ihr Land bewirtschaften statt sich an den Früchten ihrer Errungenschaften zu laben.
Hesinde ist auch die Suche nach Wissen, dennoch mit Vernunft. Amazeroth hingegen repräsentiert Wachstum des Wissens ohne Grenzen - und wenn Menschen dafür sterben und leiden müssen wird keine Wimper gezuckt. Dem kann ich als pazifist nicht ganz zustimmen.

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Tarvoc In reply to Pechschwinge [2015-08-23 19:02:06 +0000 UTC]

Well, maybe the trouble I have with the Deities of Das Schwarze Auge is that the whole theology endorses social and political conservatism. Strictly speaking, you can argue that Hesinde isn't against technological or scientific progress. However, as with all the Gods, this only applies as long as humans don't overstep a certain line that would either endanger the authoritarian socio-political orders we find in all of Aventuria (yes, even in the Horasreich). There is a reason why all governments and also all churches in Aventuria hunt democrats and anarchists as alleged potential demon worshippers. Of course, this very constellation is what pushes more progressive people in the direction of demon worship. The discourse becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. As always when social rebellion takes the form of religious heresy, people end up only exchanging one madness for another. Getting rid of the Gods without falling for the Demons would be the real aim.

Is this still about Das Schwarze Auge? It is, insofar as the theology of Das Schwarze Auge endorses conservatism, i.e. isn't politically neutral with regards to the real world either.

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Pechschwinge In reply to Tarvoc [2015-08-25 16:28:29 +0000 UTC]

"Getting rid of the Gods without falling for the Demons would be the real aim."

Ja, das ist wahr. Was aber auch unterstreicht, dass Amazeroth's weg des "Ich will das wissen  und wenn eben manche leute dafür sterben müssen, dann ist das halt so" nicht unbeingt dessen entspricht, was man als erstrebenswert bezeichnen sollte.

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ChristianFreakingD [2014-12-06 23:30:08 +0000 UTC]

This would make an excellent tattoo

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timesink In reply to ChristianFreakingD [2014-12-11 12:45:37 +0000 UTC]

If I would not be so afraid of the pain while getting a tattoo this would be one of the top contenders for the picture I would use *-* God, this looks so freakin' awesome

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VesaiasTheValiant [2014-12-01 20:13:34 +0000 UTC]

Hmm, intriguing. Very powerful symbolism, I see...  
But expertly done with great style!  

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DarkRika [2014-12-01 09:31:43 +0000 UTC]

Wahnsinn, wie schön detailliert das ist, toll schattierte und ausgeformte Blüten und vor allem die Schuppen der hübschen Schlänglein! Klasse!

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Pechschwinge In reply to DarkRika [2014-12-01 12:15:10 +0000 UTC]

Dankeschön ^3^

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callyanncreates [2014-12-01 02:08:38 +0000 UTC]

What a neat concept!

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