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Published: 2012-03-20 08:33:19 +0000 UTC; Views: 5218; Favourites: 79; Downloads: 24
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Description Even today, you will sadly see people stating that raptors and other feathered dinos look less cool with feathers. This is just beyond me because I love fluffing up my theropods, I think they look a hundred times more awesome with crests and fans and wings and what have you.... Seriously people, they weren't oversized lizards.

So this is my response so that argument... Using the logic that dinosaurs look less cool with feathers, this must certainly apply to our modern dinos, like the chicken as well? Yes, there are indeed naked chickens... [link] Supposedly developed for the convenience of not needing to remove their feathers after slaughter...

(Also I have to say, even though chickens have a really poor reputation in society in general, when you sit down and look at them, they really are very pretty and impressive looking birds. Proud too (they know they look good!), and the roosters aren't afraid of attacking anyone mistreating their girls! Never mistake the commercially bred chickens for the real thing)

ETA - As a lot of people take this as meaning that I say ALL dinos (or at least ALL theropods) had feathers, I'm not. This was directed at people who won't give ANY dinos feathers (including ones where we have fossil finds of 'em) on the grounds that "it doesn't look cool". In other words, the people who still stand by the Jurassic Park view of dinos being the only correct one, kinda.
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tarbano In reply to ??? [2012-03-29 02:50:04 +0000 UTC]

on dromeosaurids and many other theropods groups, I'm all fore a full or fairly full feather covering. Others such as T.rexs, Tarbosaurs; or the Carnosaurs; I still favor the scales with some plumes. Feathers may be great temperature regulators, but on a body THAT big (much larger then say, an ostrich or Moa); I just don't see it happening

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Tianithen In reply to ??? [2012-03-23 18:27:09 +0000 UTC]

Really? I have always thought dinosuars were cool. When I learnt they had feathers they became so much cooler in my eyes . My favourite dinosaur is microraptor, enough feathers for four wings, love it.

But maybe this is because I am a bird lover and people who think they should be scaley are reptile lovers?

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8bitAviation In reply to Tianithen [2012-09-27 22:39:34 +0000 UTC]

well, a lot of people arguing that feathered dinosaurs look stupid say birds look stupid with feathers. feathered dinosaurs look awesomer than those giant iguanas of the past. or maybe I'm just saying that because I'm a bird lover as well xD

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Tianithen In reply to 8bitAviation [2012-09-28 06:11:50 +0000 UTC]

Bird would look so silly without feathers, same as most mammals would look silly without fur. And yeah, birds are great

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crystal-rex In reply to ??? [2012-03-20 13:06:02 +0000 UTC]

XD it's like the great 'what's better' debate where both sides seem to go way too far XDD

I love this picture though, and it illustrates a pretty good argument. Chickens just look SAD without their feathers XD That linked picture was almost disturbing, but heck, it would make a great chicken anatomy study XDD

I remember the days when I thought no dinosaurs had feathers XD back when no one believed they did XD but I was gradually sold on the fossil evidence and now... well, it just seems natural that some had feathers, especially if the evolutionary direction is taken into account. Gotta love me some winged Deinonychus, yep.

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novablue In reply to crystal-rex [2012-03-20 16:31:50 +0000 UTC]

Haha, I know what you mean. I seem to recall that when I saw the first depictions of dinosaurs, I was hesitant, but they've really grown on me and now I can't imagine them without feathers. In general, I feel many dinosaurs are still depicted as "skin over bones", I don't mean that all should be feathered but... I mean, animals have muscles, wrinkles, thick patches of skin and so on, they don't show every bone jutting out usually lol. I never claim that my drawings are "true" or "realistic" - but I do love experimenting with kinda going beyond the evidence and just having fun imagining what type of growths and such could exist on these animals, not just feathers but also all sorts of other features.

It's very interesting to see animals without their usual fur/feathers btw, if horrifying sometimes...! I recently saw this photo [link] and the first thing that struck me was that I never realized bears have such long, pointed ears beneath all that fur...

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MattMart In reply to novablue [2012-06-22 13:00:29 +0000 UTC]

"when I saw the first depictions of dinosaurs, I was hesitant, but they've really grown on me"
This seems to be the consensus... I think I must be the only one who when I first saw a feathered Deinonychus that looked like a giant Archaeopteryx said 'yep, that looks about right'!

Awesome drawing too, that is a badass chicken

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crystal-rex In reply to novablue [2012-03-20 17:08:20 +0000 UTC]

You have a really good point there, and now I'm imagining some dinosaurs with all sorts of weird crests and knobs and wrinkles XDD You're right that normal animals are just like that! I guess people just forget to take that into account when all you can see are the bones, huh?

That bear is just awesome XD Man I should look up pictures of bald animals for some anatomy research! They really do have longer ears o.o Thank yooou.

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Kronosaurus82 In reply to ??? [2012-03-20 09:23:24 +0000 UTC]

Well, you're right: dinosaurs weren't oversized lizards. But they weren't oversized birds neither: infact it's more correct to say that birds are downsized dinosaurs.
Aside from what's cool and what's not cool, not every dinosaur (not every theropod, actually) had feathers.

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SageKorppi In reply to Kronosaurus82 [2012-10-12 15:47:49 +0000 UTC]

To be fair there is more and more evidence that feathers/feather-like filaments were found in such basal theropod lineages that it was likely they all had feather-like/filamentous structures at one point(not including a secondary loss). I've seen convincing evidence that the feather/filament synapomorphy started in the archosaurian clade and was secondarily lost in crocodilians.

This doesn't mean everyone had contour feathers and the like, but it's becoming clear that feather-like integument was far more common than previously though. Besides, feathers are damn amazing anatomical structures and aren't just for beauty or heat conservation!

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Kronosaurus82 In reply to SageKorppi [2012-10-12 21:34:30 +0000 UTC]

Far more words, same concept...

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novablue In reply to Kronosaurus82 [2012-03-20 09:28:04 +0000 UTC]

I know that not all of them did, that's well documented. This was more aimed at people who won't give ANY dinosaur feathers in their artwork, even those where we have very clear evidence for it, because it "doesn't look cool"

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Kronosaurus82 In reply to novablue [2012-03-20 10:24:34 +0000 UTC]

I see "overfeathering" more often than "downfeathering".

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