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"Nothing is more valuable than freedom and independence." - Ho Chi Minh.Ho Chi Minh, known in Vietnam as Uncle Ho, was a Marxist revolutionary who led the fight for Vietnamese independence, against the French, the Japanese and the Americans. A strong anti-imperialist indeed.
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In this flag: Red, the color ofΒ innocent people's blood; Yellow: the color of lucky, gold and luxury communism shit.
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Viettan flag: 6 wings blue flower in White background = Soros/Israeli
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This is the hour
This is our land
We found the power
In our brother's hand
And from a storm
Pierced with light
Fierce and white
The lightning came
A bright'ning flame
To end the night
One man to heed us -
Each girl, each boy
One voice to lead us
In a song of joy
This is the hour
This is our land-Ho chi minhΒ β
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Not like Soviet Union. We Vietnam people allways forgive to our enemy. But don't misunderstand me. We never forget.
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This is the hour
This is our land
We found the power
In our brother's hand
And from a storm
Pierced with light
Fierce and white
The lightning came
A bright'ning flame
To end the night
One man to heed us -
Each girl, each boy
One voice to lead us
In a song of joy
This is the hour
This is our land
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I consider Ho Chi Minh one of my inspirations, and this is one of my favorite quotes by him. Thanks for posting this, and I love the effect.
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He's one of my inspirations as well.
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He was pretty awesome, no? Cheers
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This dumb "Sonrouge" seems to forget about the 10 millions victims of agent orange.
and doesn't realise that his username is quite ironical, as rouge means red in french, so, it's like if he was called "red son", while he's anticommunist.
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"A strong anti-imperialist indeed."
That's very amusing in light of the fact it was the north that invaded the south, the war crimes committed by the north against the people they claimed to be liberating, and how the south was ultimately taken. I guess freedom to choose something other than communism wasn't a freedom he supported.
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Vietnam was a WHOLE country before 1945 and 1954. It was the South who refuse the election in 1956 and 1975.
And a ex-RVN officer said this: If this was about war crimes, than the war crimes US Army and ARVN have done in Vietnam would make the NLF, if their "war crimes" wasn't just something said by propaganda, goes head over their heel.
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Does this "ex-RVN" officer have a name and can you cite sources, or are you just pulling stuff out of a hat?
To enlighten you, here are some NVA/VC war crimes:
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So far, only two cases of war crimes committed by American forces (in both cases, the incidents were investigated and the men responsible prosecuted) have been documented. Can the NVA or VC make that claim?)
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Prosecuted? Doesn't them was all released?. Please stop this Cold War kind of thinking.
And seriously, two cases? Then why did the same Army, the same nation was stored over 300.000 files about torture, execution, massacre that they and their "ally" comitted in Iraq and Apghanistan that Wikileaks just "leak" out.
Did you read Failure to Atone, Lesson of War....they're all mentioned that US Army has done far more than just "two war crimes", the ones who make it to the public just a tip of and iceberg. And this [link] would shed some light into that head of you. In case you wonder, the title of this artice was "One My Lai Every Month"
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"Doesn't them was all released?"
Do. You. Speak. English? I don't have time to try and translate improper grammar, so kindly speak clearly.
"And seriously, two cases? Then why did the same Army, the same nation was stored over 300.000 files about torture, execution, massacre that they and their "ally" comitted in Iraq and Apghanistan that Wikileaks just "leak" out."
Unless you can provide proof of more, they don't exist. Iraq is a far different war than Vietnam and there is a time span of several decades in between, so whatever is happening in Iraq right now has little to no bearing on what happened in Vietnam.
And as far as Nick Turse is concerned, considering he's only interested in "American attrocities" during the Vietnam War and apparently doesn't give a damn about what the other side did, I say he's full of shit and just another hypocritcal critic of the war. Come to me with someone who goes after both sides and maybe I'll be interested, but dicks like Nick are a dime a dozen and I've heard from too many of them already.
And I tried searching for that title and nothing's coming up.
Also, I notice you have no comment for the links I put up. What's the matter? Am I shooting down your rosy view of the VC/NVA?
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He didn't invade it. He supported the Viet Cong resistance in South Vietnam against the oppressive dictatorship (which happened to be backed by the US).
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My friend, you're either very ignorant or don't know as much about the Vietnam War as you think, neither of which would be surprising. One, the VC ceased to exist after the Tet Offensive (speaking of which, why don't you look up the Massacre of Hue), so who do you think was doing the fighting after that? Second, it wasn't the VC who initiated an invasion in 1975 that involved tanks and artillery.
Finally, kindly provide me proof that the government of South Vietnam was a dictatorship (if you want to see what life was like in North Vietnam during the war, look at Osprey's "North Vietnamese Army Soldier 1958-1975"). Yes, there was widespread corruption, yes the Buddist Monks were persecuted (though thousands of people had left North Vietnam for the same reasons), but there was nothing on the line of Nazi Germany or even Vichy France.
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Yes, the Viet Cong did commit massacres, which is awful. But, the Viet Cong was a guerilla organisation, and especially during the occupation of Hue, there was little discipline, and soldiers went crazy. However, there was no command to do this, and Viet Cong officials did regret the incident. The Americans deliberately exaggerated the incident for their propaganda purposes. US forces themselves would torch entire forests with napalm, plant landmines designed to maim and murder children, and shoot anyone who looked like a 'communist'. The US army received orders for all this.
And South Vietnam was a dictatorship. The first leader, Ngo Dinh Diem, refused elections for a unified Vietnam, and took power based on a fraudulent referendum. The next leader took power through a military coup. After him, the next 'president', Nguyen Van Thieu, took control of the country through a military junta, followed by a fraudulent election.
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Vietnam was a whole country
Some US critics:[link]
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One country, artificially divided. The US government was too scared to allow an election, because the Communists would probably win.
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Or they just think that they can force their ideas into any country, as long as it doesn't the Soviet Union or China
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It is a true shame that he died before the end of the war. it would have prevented alot of needless bloodshed.
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I agree completely. He could've led the resistance much more effectively... although the US was pretty close to using nukes there, at one point.
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And the purges in the south would have been well... alot less...I wouldent say nonexistent but alot were killed over nothing.
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And if America wasn't get delusioned with communism, the war wouldn't ever happened
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You know what's funny? We supported Marshal Tito, the communist president of Yugoslavia not too long before the Vietnam bullshit started. Tito hated the Soviets, he ran the show in his country completely free from the Kremlin's influence. We could have had the same thing with Ho Chi Minh.
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Sorry for being so hyped up, it just that these ideas have been floating in my head for god's know how long, and when I finally written it down, it like having to watch a big file of shit and realize it for the first time.
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You know why the US support Tito? Because of the same reason why they encourage Western Europe nations to declare their independence with the Soviet in the 60s (remember the Warsaw Uprising and Prague Spring?) and develop relationship with PRC in the 70s, despite the latter's complete adherence toward capitalism on that time? Russophobia. Almost all of US government's action in the Cold War was directed against the Soviet Union simply because they think the Russian are trying to create a red version of the United States, or more likely that they're also seeking global sovereign.
The concept was difficult to understand if you stick to the idea that the Cold War is a "clashes between ideas", but it could simpler when you thought of it as "clashes between superpower" or a gang war. From that point of view we can see the act of supporting Tito is considered as "the carrot" as the US showing the world how generous they can be with countries that stand apart (or against) communism, while the war against Vietnam would be "the stick", serves as a message for the "dictactor governments" that seek support from the Soviet Union. But that's before thing went awry...
Beside that, you know what is REALLY funny? The Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) actually have an established and functional Congress, also....*beat please*.... having a MULTI-PARTY SYSTEM. There are at least 2 major party beside the communist party, and they keep that way until...1992. Even though they didn't having much power, they're still there. So basically, the US diplomats could simply promise the Vietnamese that they could unified their country, but have to give more power to other political factions and the Congress. And in cases they refuse, simply sent the First Fleet to Gulf of Tonkin, and see how long they'll last 
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Some guy on this website put him in the same Category as Hitler. I call bullshit on that.
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As do I. You can't compare a mad reactionary like Hitler to Ho Chi Minh...
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yes....yes yes yes.
second only to castro in my mind is Ho Chi Minh.
and this is pretty cool art in and of itself. Good Job comrade.
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Thanks comrade! Castro is inspirational as well, not just because he's survived all those CIA assassination attempts.
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that does play a part though...he JUST WON'T DIE!!!
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