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The ultimate battleDarth Vader vs. Lord Voldemort
Anikan Skywalker vs. Tom Riddle
Leader of the Sith and the Galactic Empire vs. Leader of the Death Eaters
WHO
WILL
WIN?!
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If we're talking one-on-one boss fight this is pretty one-sided. Lord Darth Vadar for sure.
Voldemort's got wand and magic, sure, but tactically speaking, that's pretty much all he's got. All witches and wizards within Harry Potter universe got this one weakness: They are too heavily relied on their wands, and they don't have courses that covers hand-to-hand combat techniques. Plus, casting spells take time - in combat, every second counts.
Think Voldemort can be easily defeated by a regular, very agile opponent with a single back-hand disarm... or just sprint-tackle him and stomp on his head. Facing him off against Lord Vader - a pure ranged combatant with virtually no H2H techniques against a versatile combatant? Boy, Volsy's totally gonna get creamed.
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Forget Vader; even Sam Fisher - a mortal(or as wizards call it, muggle) - could take Voldy on. ANYONE nimble enough can take him on.
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Vader for sure. The ability to kill anyone with a twig is insignificant against the power of the Force.
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No kidding.
Vadar(Versatile):
1. The Force disregards size.
2. No need for specific spell casting.
3. Lightsabre can pierce through almost all. Vadar a skilled swordsman, albeit not very agile since critical injury.
4. Pretty sure the energy that can hold blaster rounds midair can stop Avada Kedavra.
Voldemort(Ranged; Assuming Horcrux cheat code removed to level playing field):
1. Too heavily relied on wand. Pretty much turns into a non-combatant when disarmed.
2. Casting spells take time, and spells(appear to be) travel much slower than bullets or blaster rounds.
3. Virtually zero hand-to-hand combat abilities. Startionary spell caster a big painted target.
Vadar wins. Once. Twice. Thrice. 4x. 5x. ...
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Vader could quickly choke off Voldemont's voice, then close in with the lightsaber. However, I think Voldemont would quickly fall to the Emperor.
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I will examine this under one stipulation: no horcruxes. Now, on with the analysis.
Let's say that magic and the Force are similar enough in nature, since they are both essentially energy manipulated by those born connected to it, that they can counter each other. Voldemort is arguably the most powerful magic user of his age, having searched for, and found, more dark arcane secrets than any before him. Vader was the most powerful Force user of his age, at least until Mustafar, when he lost his limbs; the lack of living tissue preventing the Force from properly flowing through him and severely hampering his abilities with the Force. However, he became Beethoven with the Force instead of a piano as a result. Where once he had almost unlimited power at his beck and call, now he only has a little (comparably, he was still incredibly powerful), but he knows what can be done with it and so he figured out new ways of doing things that are even more effective. Because of this, I think they are equally matched in terms of arcane abilities.
Now for the elephant in the room: the killing curse. The way I see it, if Voldemort managed to hit Vader with it, yes, it would kill him. However, Vader is incredibly skilled at blast deflection, and seeing as how magic is just energy given a purpose a lightsaber should be sufficient to block or deflect it. Now, I know what you're saying: Avada Kedavra is unblockable by magical means. Well a lightsaber is actually made of a focused arc of superheated plasma contained in a matter repelling energy field (hence why you need to swing it with some strength to cut something: you are overcoming the matter repelling field). Plasma is made of matter, matter can block the killing curse, a lightsaber can block the killing curse. Voldemort knows A LOT of spells that do all kinds of crazy and destructive things, from explosions to Fiendfire to the cruciatus (which would only make Vader angry, therefore making him more powerful, allowing him to overcome his pain and shrug it off) and the imperious curse (which would be useless against someone trained to overcome mind tricks and other mental assaults AKA Vader). So Vader would be able to shrug off, avoid, deflect, or ignore most of the curses and other spells sent his way, but Voldemort would likewise be able to defend himself against Force based Telekinetic attacks. So, bascially, their arcane abilities are almost useless against each other unless Voldemort can get Vader with an Avada Kedavra, which is unlikely.
But Vader has a lightsaber as well as the superhuman strength, speed, and stamina from his cybernetics to help him avoid, deflect, and block his way into Voldemorts personal space, allowing him to effectively hack him to pieces. And if Voldemort manages to disarm Vader, then Vader would just beat him to death with his metal fists. This one goes to Darth Vader.
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Think even Starkiller would hack Voldy like a piece of cheeze.
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VOLDEMORT FOR SURE!!! CUZ HE IS WAY MORE POWERFUL... WAND... DUH!
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Your lack of faith disturbs me
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Fool! Vader can easily just deflect spells with lightsaber, plus the killing curse only works on ORGANIC matter, as evidenced by every single time Voldemort or some random death eater missed with it. Therefore, all Vader has to do is LIFT UP HIS HAND to block it. Also, Vader can snap Voldemort's wand with the force, effectively ruining Voldy's chances of putting up a fight.
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but voldemort is awesome.
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Not really. His army is a bunch (a couple hundred at most) of emos, while Voldemort himself is an albino emo with no nose. Compare that to the dark lord of the Sith, who has an ENTIRE SPECIES worth of highly trained storm troopers, and he's pretty pathetic.
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Yes, but Voldemort also has dementors, and the force cannot control them. Plus he also has several other magical creatures. Do not forget Voldy's immortality... His soul is split in seven!
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The dementors CAN be destroyed by non-magical means. And still, even WITH all that, Vader's army LITERALLY takes up an entire solar system. As for the immortality, Vader has dealt with and re-fused a splintered soul as read in the expanded universe, thus neutralizing the immortality part of it.
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maybe, voldemort has star fleet on his side...
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I think Vader would win because he can reflect most of Voldemort's spells off his lightsaber and then take the close-range advantage (as well as with his force abvilities).
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Also, Vader is immune to Voldemort's telepathic attacks thanks to force-shielding, so no mind attacks for snake-face. Another thing Vader can do is close the distance between him and Voldemort thanks to a force-boost and kill him by the time Voldemort can say the name of a spell.
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Voldemort can make himself invisible and Voldemort doesn't need to say a spell in order to cast it. He says Avada Kedavra out loud most likely because he wants the person he kills to know exactly how they're going to die and to know that its him doing it. He's sadistic enough to enjoy that his voice is the last thing his victims ever hear.
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Vader can sense invisible beings with the Force and deflect energy attacks off his light-saber.
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His spells can still disorient a person, such as the confundus charm and I don't think a lightsaber would be able to hold back something like fiendfyre which can go through just about any enchantment.
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Any spell or curse or jinx or whatever is does not properly effect non-organic matter. As a lightsaber merely super-heated plasma, it is non-organic matter, allowing it to block magic. Plus, Vader has the force. He can use it to put a protective field around himself, as Avada Kedavara is unblockable by any MAGICAL means. The force does NOT = magic, so it could be able to block and even extinguish FiendFyre.
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Curses can still destroy non-organic matter. If Vader can use the force to put a barrier around himself, then so can Voldemort with his magic. I don't know how super-heated plasma would be able to block magic which can do just about anything if the caster is imaginative and powerful and Voldemort is definitely a powerful wizard. Is magic in itself not something akin to the force? Energy throughout the universe that can be manipulated and shaped by the user's pure will? It seems like much of the magic seen could also be seen as the force. Seeing the future, telepathy, conjuring, telekinesis etc. These are all things that magic and the force do respectively for the person using it.
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True..True.. but if voldemort's wand is destroyed, then the main focusing point of nearly all of his magic would be gone, allowing for an easy win by vader. there are VERY few things that can destroy a lightsaber blade, and sith magic was not one of them, as clearly stated in the expanded universe, which IS canon, according to George Lucas. Also, the magic employed had very similar characteristics to hp magic and was cut THROUGH by a lightsaber. Ergo, a magic shield would NOT help against Vader. As for the disorientation part, Vader CANNOT be confused enough for his connection with the force to be disrupted enough to be unable to sense his surroundings. His force-enhanced reflexes allow him to attack Voldemort immediately after he reappears.
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Why wouldn't a magic shield work against a lightsaber? A lightsaber is pretty just super heated plasma that is fashioned into a semi-solid shape. Also couldn't Voldemort just use transfiguration to turn the lightsaber into anything he wants to? Or if he uses enough magic in the area it would make it so the lightsaber wouldn't function properly as technology goes haywire with too much magic being used. Vader before the suit would have decent reflexes, but the suit (movie version) doesn't make it seem like he relies on speed, but rather strength. Brute strength isn't really enough though in an instance like this though.
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Saying that Voldemort's magic can work on Vader's lightsaber is equal to saying that Vader's force can work on Voldemort's wand. A lightsaber is PURE energy. There is nothing TO disrupt. The super-heated plasma blade has a nearly completely definite shape due to the magnetic field that holds it together. Movie version or not, while his cybernetics slowed him down, Vader's reflexes were still fast enough to stop Han's blaster-fire and take it away.
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It's electronically powered by a crystal, I'm sure the circuits can be disrupted by magic. Vader could potentially use the force to destroy Voldemort's wand, but it depends on if he'll think to do so first before Voldemort uses his magic to either transfigure the saber or make it so it can't hurt him. Wizards do possess the ability to make it so flames can't do anything to them (except cursed fire of course). If the spell can work on the blade of a lightsaber, then the only thing it will do to Voldemort is give him a light tickle. Also Vader raised his hand before Han even shot, it wasn't that impressive.
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Vader's force powers have given him sub-light speed reactions, allowing him to think first. Plus, they can protect him from Voldemort's magic. A lightaber's blade is made of super heated plasma contained by a magnetic field (in some parts of the expanded universe), NOT fire. Actually, if one studies the clip you stated earlier, Vader raised his hand AS Han shot. Even so, your view even further proves my statement of Vader's precognitive abilities and reflexes. How would he know exactly when Han would shoot so that he could absorb the blasts unless he had the speed and reflexes to do so?
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I'm just not seeing it. I've watched that scene several times and it looks like he raises his hand at the same time Han brings up his blaster. It doesn't take precognition to figure out what someone is going to do with a gun as they draw it out. His reflexes are decent, but they didn't look superhuman (though that could be chalked up to the special effects of the day). While a lightsaber isn't technically fire, it does still burn and unless its cursed I'd wager a highly skilled wizard should be able to neutralize the effects it would have on him.
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A lightsaber deflects any form of energy, as depicted by EVERY SINGKE time it is used, thus magic will have little to no effect on it.
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The energy we've seen it block are of a different nature than some magical spells. Also if the spell puts out more energy than that of a lightsaber it should be able to overcome its effects. However a telekinetic block from a powerful force user could potentially block a spell.
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ANY form of magic is simple manipulation of energy, and if the force and magic are able to cancel each other out, then it is down to physical abilities. VADER.
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A lightsaber can block energy bolts. Magic is a form of energy, therefore a lightsaber can block magic. Also, the magic is like the force is a good connection.
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We can argue about this all day, but I think it's too evenly matched to truly determine a winner.
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Even though this is a top rivalry, they BOTH lose to Sauron.
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I'm betting Voldemort would win. He can read minds, inflict excruciating pain, can fly, has telekinesis and vanish at will. These are skills that he has WITHOUT his wand. He can do almost anything, I'd wager he's even stronger than Sidious.
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The Force......You're argument is invalid.
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Hell yeah Morgoth would win!
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well now i know who cut off voldemort's nose haha
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