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Kay-is-Dreaming In reply to DoomMarine58 [2013-12-16 00:01:23 +0000 UTC]

In case you didn't know, Shinjiro spent most of his life carrying the weight of accidentally killing a child's mother when he had no control over his power. He risks himself trying to make up for it, for something he had no control over--always carrying the burden of a death that wasn't his fault. He gets killed trying to make up for it. I didn't like him because of a trope, but because of his backstory and the fact that he can be so kind and still like a normal person while being broody (oh, you know, cooking, playing and spoiling Koromaru, etc.) But, you know what? The past is an explanation for a character and who they are, not an excuse. 

I don't care for Yukari's skills or actions, since she always plays as extremely self-centered and is an abrasive character to me. Her dad died, fine. But does that mean she should just blame all of her failings on that? No. And everything she does is absolutely unreasonable. And Junpei is reckless and constantly trying to validate himself, which I don't like dealing with. Every little thing he blames on me, which is--if you are curious--signs of a toxic friendship that no one should have to endure. Should I have to deal with that just because he's had a rough life? Breaking news: no--just because someone has it tough doesn't give an excuse for how they treat others. 

Party-wise, they're not efficient in battle and don't work well with my battle style, so I don't bother leveling them up. My actual party is Aigis, Mitsuru, and Akihiko--a balance of skills and weaknesses that have gotten me through every floor very efficiently and whose skills balance out those of the personas I use. Would you like to criticize me for leaving Ken and Koromaru down there, too?

Fun fact: the whole thing was meant to be humorous. Didn't you notice I made fun of my absolute favorite character by playing on that trope that everyone assumes? And that every reaction was an absolute hyperbole for actions? Hm, strange that I would use that technique for my least favorite characters, too, isn't it? Damn me trying to be funny. I should just be so much more considerate, since I could insult others in stating my opinions on how I feel about fictional characters. 

Listen, you can like who you like, and let me like who I like. Learn how to respect others and their decisions, then come back to talk to me about characters and their development and all those things. Don't blame me for lacking "empathy" for a character who doesn't exist (surely I need not remind you of that?). I suggest you consider your favoritism for an imaginary character's feelings over that of a person who is simply stating their favorite and least favorite parts of a game.

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DoomMarine58 In reply to Kay-is-Dreaming [2013-12-27 00:36:23 +0000 UTC]

Shinjiro was coward who ran away from his past and refused to take responsibility, the only reason he was going to let Ken kill him was because he was too scared to live with himself. Pathetic. Yukari does not blame her short comings on her father. Give me one instance where that happens? As for junpei you just sound like an unsympathetic ass. If your father beat you for the majority of your life and made you feel worthless you'd have a complex too, this is basic psychology. But no you're just one of those people who looks down on others because they don't meet her standards and is too stuck up to step out of her comfort zone to try and understand anyone else. Stop judging everything by your own perceptions of what they should be.

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Kay-is-Dreaming In reply to DoomMarine58 [2013-12-27 18:53:59 +0000 UTC]

Shinjiro is a "coward" because he was "too scared to live with himself." You do realize how accidental manslaughter weighs on the mind, yes? Similar principle. Likewise, someone doesn't have to blame their shortcomings on something for it to occur. Yukari, from the very start of the social link, spends her time lamenting that she doesn't have a "normal" family, to the point where she blames everything that goes on with her mother. Everything her mother does is based on comparison to her father and what he would have wanted--in short, it vastly limits the rest of Yukari's relationships because she's so hung up on appeasing someone who is no longer there. Okay, so Junpei has a complex. That's absolutely horrible that he does. But, you know the thing is that it's not someone else's job to try and heal him. Just because he has a problem doesn't mean that everyone else has to work past their comfort to help him if he's part of a toxic or bad friendship. Or should we just forgive everyone who has had a hard time and excuse them of all they've done? I'm sure the list could go on. Sure, I feel sorry for Junpei, but that doesn't mean I have to like him or bring him along on missions or excuse him for everything he does. 

But, you see, that's not the point. All of the reasonings I point out won't matter to you, will they? Because you're just being hypocritical. I understand that these characters are good characters, and that they have sources for their problems. But that doesn't mean I have to like them, and it doesn't exclude them from a satire that targeted every possible character I could draw. See, because you've judged and have kept a stigma in your head about both a character and a real human being based on your own perceptions and the fact that I have a different character that I favor. Which is an opinion, not a fact. God forbid people have different opinions and get condemned for them. 

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DoomMarine58 In reply to Kay-is-Dreaming [2014-01-01 13:09:54 +0000 UTC]

Shinjiro ran away instead of taking responsibility for his actions not because he was guilty but because he was afraid of the consequences so instead of owning up to it like a man he tried to just forget it ever happened, then when he realized he couldn't he just run away he tries to take the easy way out and let Ken kill him. Why is it that you can be empathetic where Shinjiro is involved but not Ken? Think of it from Ken's perspective his mother was killed in front of him and the only thing he knows is that Shinjiro killed her. He didn't know it was an accident all he saw was his mother getting killed horribly and the guy who did it. 

Maybe if any of the senpai had bothered to take him aside for five minutes and explain what happened all those years ago the whole thing could have been avoided, but no that requires Shinjiro to nut up and take responsibility for what he did. But if all three of them had took Ken aside and explain what happened and if Shinjiro had given a heart-felt apology to Ken I think he would believe them and though I doubt Ken would immediately forgive Shinjiro I think the little guy is smart and mature enough to see that while Shinjiro is indirectly at fault for his mothers he didn't intend to do it and could at the very least try to move past it. Especially since Mitsuru and Akihiko (who he looks up to) can confirm what Shinjiro said as true. 

But no the senpai in persona 3 love dodging responsibility when it really matters. Like how even when Akihiko comes back to the team he just put all of the responsibility of leadership on the MC even though he is the second most experienced member of the team, why? Because being the leader is too much work and he just likes to punch things. Also Mitsuru is rich as hell why is it that MC has to pay for everything out of his pocket. You know the equipment the team NEEDS TO SURVIVE. All the Kirijo group does is give the evokers and while those are useful i'm sure the global conglomorate corporation can spare more than that to help clean up the mess they helped make. 

What other retarded reasons do people hate ken? Well one is people find him precocious. These people are idiots. Ken's mother died when he was eight and he spent the next two years growing up by himself. Simply put Ken couldn't afford to be a child anymore because he had to grow up and look out for himself so of course he tries to act mature, he needed to in order to survive. Another stupid reason is they blame Ken for Shinjiro's death. Which once again is idiotic. TAKAYA is the one who shot him not Ken, and while it's true that Shinjiro was only there because of Ken his stupid fangirls seem to forget that Shinjiro went there of his own choice Ken didn't coerce him or trick him he just called him out and Shinjiro showed up and honestly I doubt Ken would have gone through with it anyway he's just not the kind of person who could murder someone even for revenge. But because of the stupid circular logic people use it's Ken's fault that Shinjiro died because he was there because of Ken. To which I reply if Shinjiro had better control of his persona back then none of this would have happened, you see it's easy to use circular logic to come to bullshit conclusions. Hell if where gonna go full on circular logic every bad thing that happened in Persona 3; the shadows, Tartarus, Strega, Shinjiro and Takeharu's deaths are all because of Mitsuru's douche-bag grandfather. So if your gonna blame someone for Shinjiro's death blame him not the ten year old who everyone kept in the dark. 

As for Yukari, yeah no your statement about her social link just being her complaining about her mother is just a flat out lie. You probably only focused on the two times she complains about her mother because you developed tunnel vision for her negative traits and exaggerated them. She mentions her mother a whole two times in the ten events that happen in her social link. The majority of it is just her and MC doing normal couple stuff like hanging out at the mall and going to the movies while getting to know each other. You know dating. Don't believe me? Go look up her social link on youtube. 

What other reasons do other people hate Yukari? One is because of her being suspicious of Mitsuru. Once again this is just stupid fangirls and boys who can't step out of the own shoes and look at things from Yukari's perspective. So Yukari knows nothing about how her father died, all she knows is that he died in an explosion while working for the Kirijo group naturally she is suspicious of this because no details are told about what happened other then the Kirijo using her father as a scapegoat. Then all of a sudden the heiress to said group comes and offers her a position on this top secret black ops team fighting these monsters that no-one else knows about except the Kirijo's whose motives for doing so are not clear, I sincerely doubt they were doing it out of the kindness of their hearts (and they weren't they were taking responsibility for their families fuck up) and whenever anyone asks Mitsuru about Tartarus and the shadows she gets really dodgy and flatout lies because she's embarrassed and ashamed of what her asshat granddaddy did. People seriously exaggerate Yukari's reasonable suspicion about Mitsuru, she brings up her doubts of Mitsuru a whole four times throughout the ENTIRE STORY. As it turns out Yukari was right! Mitsuru WAS hiding things from the group and lied to everyone about it. I immediately picked up on that the first night everyone goes to Tartarus and Junpei asks some logical questions (why is Tartarus our school and where did it come from) and she just doges the issue, hell Yukari actually helped her out that time and told everyone to drop it because she probably saw how uncomfortable Mitsuru was. Me? I would have sweated the bitch for answers because she obviously knew more then she was letting on. Especially since MC's parents where killed because of the Kirijo's groups mistake.

As for Junpei's defense. Yes I do think people should learn to forgive and forget, nobody is perfect we all make mistakes at the very least Junpei recognizes when he fucks up and apologizes for it. No relationship is perfect be it family, friends, or romance and there will be times when a relationship is strained but if you give up when things look bad that just makes you quitter. My family has traits that annoy me does that mean I should just distance myself from them and not talk to them anymore? No. When your a real friend you help them by listening to their problems, helping them through them, and yes even putting up with their bullshit, and you know what? It pays of in the end because for everything that MC went through with Junpei, putting up with his complaining and jealousy, fighting with him in Tartarus, and encouraging him to get off his ass and go see Chidori all pays off. Because in the end Junpei apologizes to MC for everything he's done, thanks him for all MC has done for him and vows to stick by his side to the bitter end even if it means his death. Because that's a true friend. Someone whose there for you through the ups and downs just like MC was for Junpei and just like Junpei for MC in the end when it really mattered. People end what could be great friendships over such petty bullshit all the time. YOU sound like a toxic friend, someone who only sticks around when things are good but bails when things are tough because its too hard. There is no such thing as a perfect relationship deal with it. 

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Kay-is-Dreaming In reply to TsukitheLunamonGirl [2013-02-18 23:29:34 +0000 UTC]

Agreed.

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TsukitheLunamonGirl In reply to Kay-is-Dreaming [2013-02-19 02:14:35 +0000 UTC]

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