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Let's face it. We're animals too, and there are carnivores in the animal world. While I do think that the way animals at some facilities are treated before they are killed for food is bad (edited again, I forgot "is bad" xD), humans have always and will always eat meat. There is no changing that.
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why such shit gets hundrets of faves...
DA is fucked.
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lol its funny cuz i dont even use this account anymore
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"Yes, were omnivores, but it's wrong!" Science and evolution would like to have a word with you.
I can respect vegans and vegetarians, if they respect me. We are omnivores. We eat meat. We are animals. It's in our nature. And nature isn't wrong.
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BAAWW!!!! U IZ BEINZ CRUEL TO DA WITTLE ANIMALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me: Oh bitch, bitch, bitch
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did you kill your meat?
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I eat steak, chicken, fish, turkey, and more, atleast 30 or more times in a year. And that's why I'm using this stamp.
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This is disgusting, at least show a picture of cooked meat, not this piece of dead creature
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Thats not a dead creature- Its just an uncooked steak .-. I mean, ya it came from a dead creature but... It really is just an uncooked steak- .-.
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"piece of dead creature"
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they're the same thing???¿¿¿
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I dare you to eat that raw!
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We won't, because we'll get sick?
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M'mmmmm gotta love that meat..
And yes all you anti-meat people, I do still love animals.
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Actually, I do have a problem with the fact that you support the killing of animals; or maybe you only eat meat that was 'humanely' slaughtered? Also, we're not carnivores by nature, we're omnivores with the ability to choose not to kill others for their flesh.
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do u scream at lions for eating meat
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Of course not! I don't scream at anyone. The reason I am against humans eating meat is because in this day and age, it's not necessary. There's a whole supermarket full of plant-based foods that most people have access to. Lions don't, and lions are also carnivores which means they need meat. Humans don't.
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Honestly, not everyone can give up meat, and I am one of them. Also, it is necessary to eat meat in the case of survival. What if you were stranded with nothing but another person and they died. If you were me, You'd rip the dead body apart and eat the organs. I hate to sound gross, but sometimes it's necessary. besides, we are what we eat. What would you do in the scenario that I just mentioned?
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Why can't you? I understand that some people find it harder to get the required nutrients on a veg*n diet, but it's not impossible.
In the scenario you described I'd probably do the same, to be honest. I wouldn't kill the person though.
And what would you do if you lived in a society where harming animals was unnecessary? Wouldn't you choose to seek to avoid harm, perhaps by buying cruelty-free cosmetics and minimizing your animal product intake?
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I don't support PETA, it's a bad organization. Second of all, how does refusing to cause unnecessary harm to animals suck?
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Sorry, I was just being sarcastic.
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We still need the protein. Besides, some of these animals have no problem ruthlessly killing us. You can't bend human nature to make us more "humane". Humane people either eat, or don't eat meat. You're putting an animal out of it's misery. What else do you think cow, chickens, and pigs have to live for. They have evolved to adapt to life in captivity. No matter how many vegetarians there are, meat won't stop being produced. Besides, vegetables are living things too, they may not move, but they are very much alive. Why can we harvest vegetables and fruit, but we're screamed at for chopping trees?
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"We still need the protein."
Yup. These vegan athletes are CLEARLY deficient in protein. Wow.
www.greatveganathletes.com/bod…
It's not like we can get protein from loads of other sources - hang on a minute, we can:
www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.…
"Besides, some of these animals have no problem ruthlessly killing us. You can't bend human nature to make us more "humane". Humane people either eat, or don't eat meat. You're putting an animal out of it's misery. What else do you think cow, chickens, and pigs have to live for."
Humans have a choice, we have morality. We can choose not to kill; animals usually act on instinct.
The animals are not saved from anything by killing them, and you actually pay for them to be born and live in those conditions. You're literally paying for someone to be born, abused and killed brutally.
Ever heard of an animal sanctuary? Cows, pigs and chickens all live there, rescued from farms which would kill them for people's taste preferences. These sanctuaries do not use the animals for profit. They live for themselves, for their individuality - which is stolen from them by people who eat meat, and animal farmers.
"No matter how many vegetarians there are, meat won't stop being produced"
Not overnight, but it is happening, like it or not. Read this: veganfoodies.org/2013/07/16/do…
" Besides, vegetables are living things too, they may not move, but they are very much alive. Why can we harvest vegetables and fruit, but we're screamed at for chopping trees?"
Alive does not mean sentient. Animals are sentient; they think, feel, see and hear. Plants do not. Also, the animals you eat also ate plants, so that's double the death. If you're concerned about plants, don't eat animals or their products. They were fed tons of plants, mostly soy and corn.
Plants also don't have a nervous system, so cannot feel pain. Why can people slaughter animals painfully, but vegans are screamed at for eating plants?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=er34Vc… - vegetable harvest
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECJwRK… - slaughterhouse footage
Which would you rather support?
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I never said that we could not get protein from another source. I was implying that meat is the best source for it. I agree that slaughtering is a bad thing to do, but what else is there to do to eat meat? I know alive does not mean sentient, however sentient or not, plants survive from nutrients out of the ground, animals eat these plants, animals eat other animals. Next, animals are going to be killed one way or another. It's almost like you saying it is perfectly okay for a predator animal like a lion to ruthlessly dig in to that gazelle's neck, and yet, it is not okay for a human to chop off a chicken's neck quickly and painlessly. It's not about our intelligence over wild animals that give us the right to eat meat, but rather the way that we deal with them. Think we are in humane about the way we prepare our animals for food? Think about how some animals kill their prey.
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Maybe meat is the best source, but it also is jam packed with cholesterol, which can lead to heart problems. If you agree slaughtering is bad, why not stop eating meat? There are hundreds of meat alternatives that don't require suffering. Eating meat is not necessary in this day.
When you buy meat, you literally pay for the slaughterhouses to kill more animals. You pay for more animals to be born and then killed.
Humans are also going to die, and many will be killed. That does not give you the right to kill someone. Do you have any pets? They'll die too one day, but that doesn't meant people can kill them because they want to.
As for lions, cats are carnivores, which means if they don't eat meat they will die. Humans are not carnivores and can survive on vegan diets. I'm not going to stop a lion hunting, because that lion would die without meat. However, as vegans prove everyday, humans can live on just plants, they eat meat for pleasure.
Did you watch the slaughterhouse video I provided? They don't quickly kill the animals. First they fire a metal bolt into their skulls, meant to stun them (however, it's not always successful and many animals are still conscious) and then they slit their throats, letting them bleed out. As I mentioned, lots of animals are still fully aware while this is happening.
For chickens, they're hooked up by their feet and dragged through boiling, electric water to stun them. Again, many birds are still conscious when they're killed.
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You're clearly missing the point. Yes, I do hate that animals are being cruelly slaughtered, however, you did mention that they stun them first, even when they miss, they still attempt to make it as painless as possible for the animal.
I did watch the video, pretty sick stuff, however, that's life, my friend, there are some things we can and cannot change. Meat does contain cholesterol, but, what about those vitamins you take to get a protein supply? Those can't be much better. Like marketers always do, they will lie to you about what's in your food.
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You directly pay for those people to slaughter the animals. Your money supports it. They do that because it's the law, not because they truly care about animals. They bred and killed for one thing - profit.
So we shouldn't try? If something seems impossible, the obvious alternative is to ignore even a slight chance of change and give up? Tyson foods, an american meat company, has lowered its profit expectations by one million dollars because of vegetarians not buying meat. So it can be changed.
I don't actually take any pills or supplements, all the vitamins I need come from plants. Also, did you know that the vitamins found in meat are usually there because the cow/pig/chicken was fed a supplement?
Exactly. I have absolutely nothing to lose or gain by trying to get people to try veganism.
The meat companies have lots of money and business to lose if you stop buying their products.
Who do you think is more likely to tell the truth about how animals are treated?
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The truth can be told by anyone, vegan or not. You don't need to be vegetarian to be a good person. You must be a special kind of naive to think that you're going to become humane by going vegan.
I think this battle is done. None of us have reached an agreement. I'm not going to knock common sense into you, and you're not going to convert me to vegetarianism. I have said my piece.
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What I mean is you claim the meat industry cares about animals. That's what they want you to believe, because they have a lot of money riding on you buying meat. Vegans have nothing to lose, thus less reason to lie. Of course everyone can tell the truth, just maybe not about the meat industry.
There's no such thing as humane meat, humane slaughter or humane artificial insemination.
I suggest you take a look at this website: humanemyth.org/
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Okay, I will add one more thing. If you do not like this, then move on. I'm sorry friend, but this is the truth.
There is this thing called SURVIVAL. Like it, or not, humans are going to eat meat. There are more INHUMANE ways of slaughtering animals. Though slaughtering is inhumane, the meat industry tries to do it in the most HUMANE way possible. Only CERTAIN meat factories will do it horribly. Most places, at least here in Canada, will do it as simply as chopping their heads off quickly, and painlessly.
I hate to sound cold, but what other purpose do you think these chickens serve? If you say something like "serving their young", then what do you think their next generation will do? Animals eat meat, humans are animals. Our intestines are a lot shorter than herbivore animals, and are not made to digest cellulose, the main fibre in plants. SO, a completely vegan diet is not a good idea. Supplements will not make up for it, they will in diseases and cancer, though.
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I'll just leave this link here, as they'll explain it better than me:
freefromharm.org/health-nutrit…
Also, chickens can be kept as pets. Dogs and cats are eaten in other countries, yet they're also pets in many, many places. Chickens can be the same.
Nice speaking to you! (:
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I really wish she hadn't blocked me. Sorry again for responding to you, but.. I just wish I could say this to her, because she just proves she has no clue about human metabolism. You're free to ignore it, but I just want to post it here because I've tagged her in it so that she reads it:
[Directed to kalidoree ]:
Your'e misinformed about this subject, really you are. The human body actually has a need for cholesterol. It is the basis for many hormones and complex substances the body uses daily. The liver is responsible for making almost all the cholesterol in the body. As a matter of fact,
THE LIVER PRODUCES MUCH MORE CHOLESTEROL THAN A PERSON CAN EAT IN A DAY.
I emphasize this last because I want to be clear. Your liver produces much more cholesterol than you can eat in a single day. And your body needs most of what is produced. Your argument is unscientific; you don't understand this part of human nutrition at all. Yet you give your opinion about it very freely and forcefully, as if it were some kind of justification for restricting what people eat. And that's where people should completely dismiss what you say. Because it starts sounding more and more like religion, and a lot less scientific.
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Agreed, More less she was being over dramatic. Not to mention, I think she was running out of things to say and kept giving out links. Otherwise, people like that make a fuss over something so silly going against meat. One way or another, Vegans are most likely to get sick. (Sorry for like a months old reply. I needed to pitch in.)
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I don't mind. Hell, some facts are great.
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I wouldn't waste your breath with this one. Unfortunately, she's blocked me because I've roadblocked her stupidity at every angle, otherwise I would respond directly to her. The fact that she's now resorted to using "vegan bodybuilders" (which most of the ones on that page she linked aren't even - they admit to eating fish or drinking milk, which is laughable) is quite pathetic. These bodybuilders inject testosterone enanthate and other transitory supplements. There was also an entire NY Times article posted which explained how the 6,000 "vegan bodybuilders" must learn how to juggle the proper mixture of foods in order to get adequate protein intake, whereas a meat eater like you or I could simply eat a piece of meat to get the required daily amount. For instance, in the article it explains that one of them eats 10 bananas for their meal.
It's really quite funny that she's trying to combat the argument regarding veganism making a difference when in fact most vegans return to eating meat. But, you know, facts don't sit well with her.
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Hey. Actually I blocked you because I suffer from cyclothymia, and was going through a rough patch.
Those bodybuilders are at the end of the scale. Most vegans have average bodies, and thus eat normal amounts. I personally have three meals a day, same as before I went vegan, with snacks in between sometimes. And hey, guess what - my muscles have actually got bigger since going vegan. But that's an anecdote, and you probably won't believe anything I say anyway.
I think you'll find that's (vegans going back to meat) because of a) peer pressure, b) nutritional worries or c) they viewed veganism as a trend.
I haven't 'resorted' to anything. And why is it that when I post a source - no matter how many references it has - it's wrong, but when you post a source, it's indisputable?
You don't really agree with them about chickens being killed painlessly and quickly, do you? Good lord.
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"Most vegans have average bodies, and thus eat normal amounts."
This belies basic human biology. In order to maintain enough energy on a sole plant diet, one would have to be eating continuously throughout the day (just look at other herbivores for proof). So, either you are telling the truth and are eating three meals a day but you lie about having more muscle mass than before you switched diets, or you're lying about only eating three meals a day but telling the truth about having more muscle mass. You can't have it both ways. It just doesn't work like that. A chimpanzee that only eats three times a day would be one scrawny mother fucker, you see them chewing on tree bark and eating berries from sunrise to sundown.
"a) peer pressure, b) nutritional worries or c) they viewed veganism as a trend"
Well, no, you see.. even the document explains why:
-Twice as many veg*ans were liberal
-Ex-vegs tended to be older, more conservative
-Gender differences (more females were concerned with animal issues than men )
-Only 29% said they went veg in the first place due to health reasons
-37% of ex-vegs said they would like to try going back veg
-43% of ex-vegs simply said it was "too hard" to remain pure
"why is it that when I post a source - no matter how many references it has - it's wrong"
Control your emotions. Realize that every single article/website you've linked to has a hidden agenda and comes from websites like "humanemyth.org" - "freefromharm.org" - "greatveganathletes.com" - "vrg.org" (vegan resource group) <- ALL VEGAN BIASED WEBSITES! Obviously vegans would be peddling vegan propaganda, don't you think? Try to find some scientifically peer-reviewed journals to support your claims. Try not injecting emotions into every single one of your arguments.
Here you go:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19…
jn.nutrition.org/content/137/4…
Your opinion doesn't mirror reality. Meat has been proven to increase cognitive function.
"You don't really agree with them about chickens being killed painlessly and quickly, do you?"
Ok, that's just your emotions talking again. Try and tackle my points by sticking to the facts, would you?
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Not necessarily. Plant-based meals are just as filling as animal-based ones, depending on what it is you're eating. The first thing I noticed after cutting out eggs/dairy/meat is that I didn't need to eat as much. Veganism is a lifestyle, if someone is 'vegan' for health reasons that's called a plant-based dieter. The reason I provide humanemyth.org as a link is because there are ex-animal farmers on there stating that there's no humane way to kill someone.
If that's true - that meat = cognitive function - then why aren't obligate carnivores as intelligent (in human intelligence) as us, or more so?
I'm sick of vegans being called pretentious, self-righteous, superior, etc, when carnists feel entitled to other animal's bodies and think they can do what they like with them.
You're dodging the question there, it seems. Are you willing to violate someone else's body and space because you like meat, eggs and dairy?
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"Plant-based meals are just as filling as animal-based ones"
They can be, if you eat over 500g of berries in one sitting.
"The first thing I noticed after cutting out eggs/dairy/meat is that I didn't need to eat as much."
Except, again, this goes against basic biology. You would be anemic if you didn't eat as much as omnivores, as shown here:
journals.cambridge.org/action/…
The energy intake (MJ) of the vegetarians was significantly lower than that of the omnivores, 7·6 (SD 1·05) and 8·0 (SD 1·36) respectively
europepmc.org/abstract/MED/184…
Analysis of quantitative food frequency data showed that vegans had a significantly lower daily intake of total energy, percentage of energy from fat (31% vs 38%)
There were quite a few more articles, but they mostly studied vegetarians than vegans, as vegans only make up 2% of our population. For example, europepmc.org/abstract/MED/761… in the Abstract itself even refers to the "bulky diets" that restricts your energy.
"The reason I provide humanemyth.org as a link is because there are ex-animal farmers on there stating that there's no humane way to kill someone."
Humane is subjective. You can't provide a link to something and claim it as factual when the truth is that the method of killing is subjective.
"then why aren't obligate carnivores as intelligent (in human intelligence) as us, or more so?"
First I would suggest you read up on something called EQ. But then I'd also like to remind you that obligate carnivores never evolved to learn how to cook meat. Only when we learned how to cook our meat is when our brain capacity grew in size, and thus in turn, we became much smarter.
"carnists feel entitled to other animal's bodies and think they can do what they like with them"
That's because we can. Until a cow picks up a pitchfork and starts rioting about it, they were bred for the purpose of being used by us humans. We wouldn't have horses, cows, sheep, goats, dogs, chickens, pigs, etc if it weren't for humans breeding them to eat.
"You're dodging the question there"
Because your question is emotionally charged. Here, I'll rewrite it for you:
Do I like to eat meat, eggs, and dairy? Yes.
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You seem to know more about nutrition, I have to say (although i've read up on it quite a bit before), but it still is easy to survive as a vegan. Yes, it can be a little harder, but vegans are willing to plan their diets to avoid contributing to the meat industries. www.webmd.com/food-recipes/gui…
You said it was simply meat that gave us more intelligence, and now it's the ability to cook meat? It's the nutrients in the meat, not the flesh itself. Today these nutrients can be sourced from plants or supplements.
I don't normally compare human suffering to animal suffering, but what you said there sounds an awful lot like something which could be used to excuse human slavery. Basically you eat meat because the victims have no power to stop you killing them?
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Cooking is what gave us our bigger brains:
www.scientificamerican.com/art…
www.npr.org/2010/08/02/1288499…
www.smithsonianmag.com/science…
However, the scholar article I linked earlier was comparing Kenyan children that ate plant-based foods versus meat and proved that those eating meat had increased cognitive function.
"an awful lot like something which could be used to excuse human slavery"
Except African Americans were able to speak out for themselves and fought for their own rights.
"Basically you eat meat because the victims have no power to stop you killing them?"
They don't have the power, and that's what they were bred for.
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Just because someone doesn't have a voice does not mean you can abuse them.
There's no need to eat meat anymore, for most people (though I understand you, personally, require meat?), so the animals are literally born to die, and life their lives in often terrible conditions. Why do you find that acceptable? You're literally using someone for your own benefit, nothing more.
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Sure it does. Until a chicken, cow, or pig can learn to "stand up for themselves", that's the way the world works.
To the rest of your post: the same can be said of humans living in lower-class conditions. Born to die, living their lives in terrible conditions, being used for everyone elses' benefit. Worry about our own species first.
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I do worry about our own species. Very much, actually, considering our actions as a whole.
What about vegans? What if they spoke up for animals? What would you do then? I understand that the animal rights movement has done some bad things, and PETA is a horrible corporation, but the meat industry also does bad things. Immigrant workers are often injured, and underpaid, in slaughterhouses. Why don't you worry about that, if you care about humans first and foremost?
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Because a vegan speaking for animals is asinine. Why not speak out for protists and microbes as well. Vegans draw the line at "ability to feel pain" but there is a huge handful of animals which lack a brain and therefore don't feel anything at all. Jellyfish, Starfish are another animal, as well as Sponges, Tube worms, even Protozoans. Vegan logic is beyond ridiculous at this point. They want liberation for all animals, but if you point out animals without a brain, they clam right up and can't come up with any justification for why we can't continue eating or using those particular animals for our socio-economic gain.
I already spoke regarding underpaid workers. I don't support them. How? I don't buy from CAFOs. I buy more expensive meat which comes from local farms.
Regarding injuries etc, it comes with any job. Just like being a miner, a construction worker, a roofer, a logger or a crab fisher. Why don't you go around stamps yelling about how dangerous those jobs are and see where that gets you?
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Some killing is necessary for survival, unless you can photosynthesize, which obviously no one can. People do eat jellyfish in some places, and maybe they don't feel pain, but they have organs and nerves, and are classed as animals. You'd also have to kill them to eat them, and there's no point in killing something, sentient or not, if you can avoid it (which you can in that case, by eating plants). Before you mention that plants have to be killed, too, not many people eat just meat for their meals, with no plant-based food on the side.
Animals deserve the right to life. How is that ridiculous, to not kill something for personal gain? Dead human bodies have more rights than living animals. But no; vegans are the ridiculous ones for striving to avoid harming animals as far as possible. The vegan philosophy is to cause the least harm possible and to avoid exploiting others for our benefit, and 'others' includes all animals.
And yes, all jobs have the risk of injury, but slaughterhouse workers have one of the most dangerous jobs, both physically and mentally.
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