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Another tumblr question answered... I always thought Lily would be completely oblivious to Snape's feelings, although many of you disagreed in this old poll I made... [link]Related content
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it was in the movies, in the books he is not creep in the house and took lily's body or some sorta stuff. I guess he realised his love for her after she died. Because he actually chose to not to be with her with his own choice. He chose the dark path, he knew he cares for her but didn't realise how much till her life was in danger. I love Snape in the books more than anything. And James, he sure, loved Lily. But he could live without her too. He, I guess, loved Padfoot more than Lily. As for Snape, his obsession is because Lily was the only one he saw some affection. Not anybody else loved him, so he needed her, James didn't.
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Yeah, I don't think there was anything in the books about Snape coming to the Potters' house after the attack. I haven't seen any of the movies except POA so I don't know, I think all that backstory stuff is in HBP? I read HBP but it was many years ago so I don't remember much. I always thought Snape and James both loved Lily, but since Lily chose James in the end, Snape turned to the Dark side--like the way he is now is because he was friendzoned and can't seem to get over it. I find that a bit pathetic, considering he's almost forty, but maybe that's just me.
I couldn't really compare James and Sirius's relationship with Jily because I don't ship James and Sirius. I think that was just a great bromance. And in the end, it doesn't matter who really "needs" Lily because it's her choice as to who to go with. She went with James because sometime around sixth year he got his shit together, even became Head Boy, while Snape hung around with a bunch of pint-sized Death Eaters. James always hated the Dark Arts; so did Lily.
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Snape's action is not only out of love, it is guilt. And he lost someone he loved because of his actions. And also he is not mentally stable character. And I don't think James pulled his shit together. He ever was sorry what he did to Snape? No. He went on doing whatever he liked. I know Snape was also attacking back, but he was one, they were four. And Snape has not a healthy family background. So his actions is understandable. What I said is that he was not creeping behind Lily. He left her alone, just she said their ways were separated. He had to choose to not join Dark Lord. But in the end he choose the dark path over Lily. He thought power was what he needed, not love. AS Rowling said if Snape wasn't involved with dark arts and dark lord too much, lily could have love him romantically. So it is his fault. Cant you see. he was feeling guilty over his wrong decisions. He left her to become a death eater, then he caused her death. How come he went on living his life? Teenage Snape was wanting both his dark path and Lily together. And that was just impossible. But why he should respect James, I don't understand. He never respected him. James bullying is more like those spoilt brats bullying, not a ached soul. He was just like Dudley, maybe a lil bit smarter. I really don't understand how Lily end up with someone who hurled his childhood friend that deeply. And I don't care about his actions. You are not forgiven until your victim forgave you. Harry forgave Snape (Harry was the great guy of our story) But did Snape forgave James? NO. End of the story.
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What makes you think James didn't pull his shit together? During his sixth year he became a prefect, then achieved Head Boy in seventh; not only that, but he joined the Order of the Phoenix and, when Lord Voldemort showed up, sacrificed his life to give Lily time to run for it. And who stuck up for Lily when Snape called her a Mudblood? It's not James's fault Snape can't get past those things that happened over twenty years ago. Just because Snape was bullied does NOT mean he had to become a bully himself, which he did. Besides, he wasn't really up against four, more like two because it was mainly just James and Sirius who picked on him. James wasn't anything like Dudley--he was the cleverest student in the school, along with Sirius, and he was good at heart. I'm judging Snape on his actions as an adult, so why would I judge James based on his actions as a teenager? At least James grew up.
And speaking of family backgrounds, what about Sirius? I would say his home life was just as bad as Snape's, but he would never dream of turning to the Dark Side. Sirius also felt guilty for the Potters' deaths, and you could argue that due to basically being in captivity in book 5 he kind of started to lose it. But he never acted like a bully because of it. Instead he made it his life's mission to protect Harry, as James would have wanted.
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Eh Draco Malfoy himself was chosen as a head boy by Dumbledore too. And Sirius' actions is a little bit more understandable than James. Also James is just like Dudley. I said he was a little bit smarter. Dudley also said sorry to Harry in the end makes Dudley better person in heart. Also I am not saying James was a bad person but what he did is not that huge. After all who didn't die for his loved ones. I put myself in James' shoes, I would die for my wife and kid. I put myself in Snape' shoes and I wouldn't do what he did for Lily. It is just beyond amazing. Also Sirius was a bully in his old years too, not to Harry though. Because he loved Harry. There's the thing. Why someone chose to be an asshole those who he loved, he went on to tease Snape in Grimmauld. But this time Snape had upper hand, cannot blame him. S,sirius deserved what he got. He was an asshole to Kreacher too. As Dumbledore said, he never thought Kreacher as someone with heart and feeling. Just like his brother and mother, he never even searched why he died, he was that biased. And he never thought he hurried Snape, because he had no heart too. So who cares he treated Harry nicely, he was his friend's son. The thing Snape died to protect Harry something bigger, because he never liked Harry.
Also there is a thing makes Snape different than Snape. He never ever became truly happy and never loved, which Sirius did. Snape did not love what love means actually, but still acted what a truly noble man should do. Being a spy, standing there while he loathes Voldemort is a hard thing. Hardest thing must be killing Dumbledore, then turn back to Hogwarts while all of his other colleagues hates him, trying to be strong, doing the right thing. I also remind you that he was trying to save REMUS (someone he hates) in the 7 Harry scene. Sirius or James couldn't do it, not just because they had no talent in these area. But Snape's true identity could not be come to the light. You know, and a year, being seen as his old colleagues as a traitor would be too hard for them. They like to show off by their heroism, they like to be in heroic songs, they wouldn't accept be secret-heroes, they do what they do to be able to show off how brave they are. That is why Snape is the bravest man. His courage is not something easy to do.
(Also teenager mistakes, while James did nothing to cover his teenage mistakes, Snape did. Don't forget he was a teenager when he joined to the death eaters. He thought he can find a place thee, be strong. He was eager to gain power, because he felt weak all of his childhood. Your heroes there were not helping either. They led a lonely, confused boy into a cliff. That's what they did.)
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James is NOTHING like Dudley, who is just a fat brainless shit who takes all of the attention Harry should've gotten. James was a handsome, clever and good at heart man who loved his family. So if he had an enemy in Snape, so what, almost everybody has an enemy. It's not as many people as you think who would die for the ones they love. And what Snape told Voldemort was that he could kill James and Baby Harry, just leave Lily alone? Like I said, Snape never understood that he had the chance to be the bigger man and put that stuff in the past. Did we forget in POA how he was perfectly willing to feed Sirius to the dementors despite knowing he was innocent, just so he could get his pathetic middle-school revenge? Snape did his double-agent thing because he knew he was partly responsible for Lily's death--he was the one who relayed the prophecy to Voldemort to begin with. And did he REALLY think that Lily would just let Harry die while she lived? Voldemort killed Lily because she wouldn't move out of the way when Voldemort said to, so he killed her because that was the only was he could get to Harry.
Sirius did NOT deserve what he got, not even a bit. It was Snape who was being a dick to him in #12, not the other way around. I absolutely loathed Snape in that chapter. Dumbledore said it himself in OOTP, Sirius was mean to Kreacher because Kreacher was a living reminder of the life he hated and thought he had left behind forever. Why would he look up what happened to Regulus? They weren't close, and Sirius got the impression that his brother was a Death Eater and that was enough for him. When he heard he died he pieced together a story that he backed out and was killed for it, which isn't so implausible. Besides, I've got siblings I don't really keep in touch with. And about Harry--does that really make it better? Snape didn't love Harry, and he was only doing it because he felt guilty about Lily. Snape doesn't know whether to hate Harry or not because he's a product of someone he loves AND someone he hates, yet he still managed to make Harry's life miserable, AS WELL AS tons of other Potions students. Snape was good at making Potions, but not teaching them. Sirius was the one who was Harry's "rock", NOT Snape, and that was something Harry needed. And as for being truly happy, and never loved--did Sirius get that? Did he REALLY? What were the last fifteen years of his life, then? Twelve lonely, miserable years in Azkaban (1981-1993), one year on the lam searching for Peter (1993-94), one living in a cave and eating rats just so he can be nearby in case he's needed (1994-95), one year stuck in his old spooky manor, which is when I believe his sanity began to slip a bit (1995-96), and then he finally snuffed it. I see Sirius as a tragic example of what happens to the human mind when kept in captivity. Everything in Sirius's life went to shit, and he never turned into a bad person. I will admit he was a tad sulky towards the end, but he wasn't an outright jerk to anyone (except Kreacher, but he had his reasons). Has Snape ever had to live on rats, or been imprisoned?
And you seem to be confusing courage with modesty. Snape may have had some courage, but he didn't have as much modesty as you think he did. Lots of the people in the Order knew Snape was a spy by book 5. Snape was always coming around to do reports, and showing off when he did that. Harry learned as early as book 1 that Snape didn't want him dead, and I think he could figure out that Snape is a spy. It's not like it was some big secret that Snape modestly covered up. Snape liked playing the hero just as much as anyone else. Snape may not be on the Dark side, at least not anymore, but that doesn't mean he's still not a huge jerk.
Maybe James and Snape could potentially have patched things up, but James didn't live long enough for us to know. And maybe they couldn't have, anyway, because Snape didn't seem to be willing.
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So Kreacher was a living reminder of Sirius of his misery huh? Poor thing. So Harry, Sirius, Remus were also living reminder of Snape's misery? You got it? Also you just said: "Dudley, who is just a fat brainless shit who takes all of the attention Harry should've gotten" Really? Why Harry should have gotten better attention than Dudley? Not same but better you said? James was just like Dudley maybe a lil worse. Because Dudley as you said wasn't smart, also didn't know better, he was raised in that way, then he understood what he did, and turned himself up. James never did. Just because he is smarter than Dudley (who else didn't) doesn't make him worthy. What he did is not sth big, anyone can do it. Snape's thing, nobody can. And Snape did well to Sirius in Grimmauld. When he did to another with lots of friends, it is okay, but when he is on the target, he is all cry baby. Poor thing. Also Snape begging Voldemort for Lily's life for some pathetic search for a way around. He did that but then he went to Dumbledore and ask him save ALL of them. In that moment (just a reminder) None of them were dead. Snape just tried his chance. He couldn't ask Voldemort to not to kill the boy after all did he? The prophecy was about him after all.
And I know why you think James and Sirius kind is worthy and Snape, and even Dudley not. Because They look most like heroes. They are rich and popular they deserve everything, others deserve shit. And when somebody like Snape did the best thing these so-called heroic brainless show-offers couldn't, you get all mad. Because they should have the center of attention. Snape should be die somewhere in dark corner. And I don't think James is handsome, being popular and being handsome is totally different things. Sirius was defined as handsome. But neither James nor Snape were defined. James defined as a twin like of Harry. And Harry was this scrawny little boy, who get bullied because he wasn't look like Cedric who was also handsome. So you may find James attractive, this is your taste in man after all, but I find Severus very attractive and intriguing too.
And Snape was the bigger, braver, better man. James is our normal neighbour boy. Sorry James Potter.
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Sirius, Remus and Harry are good people, though. I never got that impression from Kreacher. Not to mention he was taking orders from Bellatrix AND he helped trick Sirius into going to the Battle of the Department of Mysteries. From what I've read of Kreacher, I can't have much sympathy for him. The two situations are a lot different. Remus and Harry, besides, didn't really do anything. Harry was not part of that generation and Remus didn't take part in the bullying.
I didn't say Harry should have gotten more attention. Just SOME, or at least not negative attention. Remember how in GOF Dudley had to go on a diet, and the only way Aunt Petunia could make him feel better about it was by giving Harry even less? That's the kind of thing I'm talking about, and extreme neglect had damaging effects on Harry's psyche, even in adulthood. I don't understand why Harry didn't just emancipate himself to begin with. If he hadn't held his tongue, the Dursleys would have been charged with a misdemeanor at the very least, and Harry probably could've taken it to court and bankrupted Uncle Vernon, if not landed his ass in jail. Then he could buy an apartment for himself with the money. That's what I would've done. At fifteen, he's old enough to make that decision. But I suppose that's an argument for another day.
Again--you can't say that "anyone" can do what James did. Not just "anyone" could personally face down the Dark Lord. I seriously doubt, as well, that "nobody" can do what Snape did. Spies are a thing in real life, even cops do it all the time. Just the other day I read a story in TIME about these two cops who dressed up as black-market bomb dealers in some Middle Eastern country, which is truly risking their lives. And they always dress up as "customers" to catch drug dealers. That's the closest real-life example I can think of, but do you REALLY think that Snape is the first person ever to PRETEND to work for a certain side, but really be passing messages to the other? You see that in action and fantasy movies all the time. Snape is a spy, that's his job, and everyone knows it, that is, except the Death Eaters.
And what do you mean, Snape "did well" in #12? I don't think he did. Sirius just requested that Snape not take advantage of the Occlumency lessons to bully Harry some more (which he did, in the same chapter), and Snape had to make a big stink out of it. Sirius was just defending James and Harry. I don't know what you mean by him "searching for a way around".
Snape and Dudley both I couldn't respect, because book after book I've seen them act like assholes. I saw ONE SCENE in ONE BOOK where James acted like an asshole. Oh, and about this girl he loved, Snape called her a Mudblood too. Harry is a scrawny little boy, by the way, because he's MALNOURISHED by the Dursleys. It's been stated that Dudley always ate whatever Harry wanted, even if it made him sick. Harry was bullied by the Slytherins, just like always. It didn't have anything to do with Cedric, who was nice to him. Malfoy and the Slytherins just had fresh meat. And who egged them on? Oh, Snape did...If Snape REALLY hated being bullied, he wouldn't let it happen to other people. And it's true that I always pictured being James being hot; maybe the fanart of him has something to do with it. But Snape is not described as attractive at all. People just think he is because of Alan Rickman.
Just to clear things up, I'm guessing English isn't your native language?
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And oh you are right, English is definitely not my native language, so sorry for my mistakes in lang.
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Well, I suppose that's all right. If you don't mind me asking, where are you from?
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I don't want to discuss this with you it is obvious that we have different opinions. You see Kreacher was a bad creature. He was weak, and didn't know what is good and bad. And after what Harry did to him we saw that he was not a bad creature. The thing is just because Sirius think he was evil, it does not make someone evil. In some logic, we can say that Snape was seeing Sirius as an evil, heartless person. We read whole book on Harry's side. Snape's interpretation is a different story. Also he was thinking that harry was just being same with his father, so he was thinking Harry as a spoilt brat too. I am not saying Snape was thinking truth about them. But apparently Sirius's interpretation was wrong too. At the end he was not better man than Snape, but spend a lot happier life. His time is Azkaban, I call it divine justice. He should have known better than to jump into conclusion. And James' actions also were brave, as for Sirius' no denying that, but nothing extraordinary. I am a lil coward here, but I would do the exact same for my loved ones and my ideals. Snape didn't love anybody, wasn't loved back, so he didn't care for anybody, but at the end he fought for sth he didn't even believe in, he suffered for his crimes, and he was an unhappy soul. A brave, smart, extraordinary one and his task was a lot harder than anybody's in the series. And he waited nothing as return. No glory, no lost love, nothing. He did what he did, because he thought he deserved it. He loathed himself. This is one hard thing any person can come through. I love this man, and I respect him. And I wish he would be happy after Lily. But he lost his mind, after she died and didn't give himself a chance. So his turning point was good for the wizarding world but was the starting of the end for him.
And I accept that Snape is a bully and cannot do the empathy. What I am saying is he was not sane like James could have been. He did not know what is good or bad, what is true or right. Nobody ever bothered to teach him. Even after Lily's death, he was still tortured inside. He was wreaking his anger on others. Because he didn't know better. Being intelligent doesn't change the situation. At the end he did most harm to himself not anybody else. As Rowling said once, I would like to slap him. Because his misery was because of himself more than the others. But it still did not justify sirius or James' actions. As portrayed "good" guys, one expect better. They were only good to those who they think worthy. But who says who's worthier than the others? They did more damage to Severus than his own father did. So I don't love them. and I never will. So don't bother to convince me. Have your own opinions. Life would be better without the kinds of like James'. Good bye. Have a nice day..
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I think calling Sirius's sentence justice is a bit harsh. Unless the person ACTUALLY committed the crime, nobody deserves that place. In real life, Azkaban would actually be considered cruel and unusual punishment. Seriously, I don't know what country you're from but in mine most prisons try to be humane. But I admit that, like Snape, Sirius was just a bit touched in the head, towards the end I mean. Not like full-out insane, but...yeah.
I've read a lot of craft books in terms of writing, and I've learned that characters can be good while still having their flaws.
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Okay. I actually kind of agree. Nobody deserves that kind of punishment. And here in prisons we don't have dements either. But I am not very pleased by our justice system either. Another story. What I was saying was that Snape WAs being malice, because he thinks that beings cruel was a cover, and makes him more respectable (which he covets really). He was thinking those who were cruel, and sarcastic gets all the glory, he never understood he should be kind. He was not even kind to Lily, never listened to her. What makes me think that "Snape's suffered most, but did best to save the world" is Snape lived a life without real love, but he somehow managed to love somebody, more than his own life. Believe me, people who led a life like Snape's (and if they are as intelligent as him) are destined to be criminals. Because smart ones can easily start to think that "hey this is not fair" and tend to hate the people. I do even think that Snape did not understand his feelings towards Lily, until the danger came to her. He was that unaware. And this is just sad. And let's the correction: Sirius might not deserve Azkaban (like Snape did not deserve his life) but he definitely deserve the teasing from Snape, at least he did not try to sexually harass him in front of everybody and led him lost his only light of life.
Though I might be harsh. Sirius a good character to read. And I actually kind of resembles him and Snape a lot. Wish they could talk and come to an understanding. Sirius' death made me upset because of this. He never truly felt sorry what he did, and never truly saw who is Snape. And Snape's death did not make me upset. He was finally released from his suffering and found peace I guess. But whenever I thing what kind of life he led, makes me whimper. I love him with all of his flaws. What he need was not sacrificing himself but someone who would love him back I guess, but now it is too late. In Harry Potter most of the characters just disappeared off the face of earth without actually living.
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Sirius is a depressing character to read, that's what... 
I know the art's not so great, but you did give me the inspiration to draw this: Sirius - Fits of the Sullens
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Eh I can agree with that. Life after Azkaban wouldn't go well for Sirius. But at least he cleared his name. He could have been died in Azkaban, as everyone knowing him a traitor. But I just don't understand Rowling. He killed all the Marauder's generation. She could at least leave Remus behind. The man had a new-born baby, for God's sake.
And actually I like the art. Glad if I give the inspiration
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Thanks! I know, the Marauders were picked off one by one by fate. I don't care about Peter, but about the other three, why? If you read OOTP a second time you can see she does a ton of foreshadowing of Sirius's death. Like this time when they're talking about how Sirius's name is going to be cleared, and all the Ministry is going to be sorry, and Sirius says, "I'm not sure I'll be accepting their apology", and I'm like, "Yeah, because you'll be dead."
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If that's the case, than Lily, whatever you do don't turn around.
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That guy in the back is so creepy but at the same time he's lovable.
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I think I can see James behind Severus holding a broom and a bludger.
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Oh my God, I can picture Snape stalking Lily perfectly... XD
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Like Phineas was oblivious to Isabella's feelings 
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Snape's always popping out of shrubs in your drawings... why?
I love your style though.
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There he in the shrubbery again. Why is he always in the shrubbery?
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Ah Yes! I think she knew. In the "we are best friends" scene, I remember he stares at her and she blushes - made me think about it. I've always thought she didn't appreciate his jealousy and exclusivity, you know. Snape as a boyfriend should have been quite a burden and she understood there had an unbalanced relationship, and quite a risky, potentially unhealthy relationship.
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Lol I LOVE this and for some reason its reminds me of Peeta and Katniss from Hunger Games lol
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ultimate creeper possision.....................
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Can I just say...I love her left hand? (her left, not mine) Idk why...I just do.
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Poor Snape. Poor Lily, being kinda stalked by Snape.
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LOL, though I personally think she noticed and returned the romantic feelings.
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If she returned them, then why did she choose James? O.o
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Well I don't know, sometimes this sort of thing happens. 
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Uh...okay...pretty vague, but okay. And same, I haven't read the books in a long time.
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I think it's more like she'd realise, but not WANT to believe it ('cause she didn't feel about him that way, and since they were best friends it would've been a bit awkward 
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Not really. Lily would've grown to love Snape, however his obsession for darkness is what drive her away
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I don't think we can say for sure whether she would have grown to love him in that way or not. Love isn't exactly predictable. I agree that that's what drove her away, though.
I stand by what I said originally, I think that's a fairly common thing that happens when there is one-sided attraction among friends. But we won't know for sure unless J.K. Rowling releases new information!
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This was actually confirmed by J.K. Rowling
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