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Β George Lucas emulating his greatest role modelΒ
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The world is getting more dDisney and we cannot do anything....
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Now that the hate-fire has died down, I have to ask. Am I the only one who DIDN'T hate Last Jedi? Don't get me wrong it's not a perfect movie, but I feel it did the best it could with what it was given. I mean, I am glad Luke at the end went out on a heroic note.Β
I mean if you think they were going to do a direct adaptation of the Thrawn Trilogy with young actors playing Han Leia and Luke you're out of your mind.Β Then again, there's a lot of stuff 'normal' people hate that I genuinely love. So maybe my taste is just warped on a fundamental level.Β
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(Late response, but: )Β You're not the only one, don't worry.Β Β
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Naaaahh, the sequels aren't that bad ! x)
At least, they're trying to do things.
And yeah, Solo did fail, but I think it was due to the tying with the EU and the fan service more than anything else.
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I mean, it could've been worse... Sonic live movie-level worse ! xD
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This is one of those cartoons that you want to laugh at but it is difficult through the pain.
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And now Shane Hack made a Predator movie so awful it makes me respect the first AVP.
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I like the new Predator movie
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You're free to enjoy anything that pleases you, but it doesn't change the fact the movie is bad and has flaws.
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Has flaws yes but I wouldn't say it's bad, it's pretty decent
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So far Mad Max: Fury Road and Blade Runner 2049Β are the only watchable soft reboots/late sequels out there. At least they respect what came before, have a lot of effort and have epic cinematic moments, you can sense the passion the people who made them had.
Dredd and the new Planet of the Apes movies are solid reboots too.
...But all the others, like The Predator, the Jurassic World movies, Terminator Genisys, Ghostbusters, The Mummy, Jumanji, and all the pointless remakes are just cynical corporate cash grabs that have either mediocre filmmaking, or have downright brain-dead writing. Or both. Written by hacks, directed by hacks, produced by hacks, who don't want to risk with a new idea so they milk the fuck out of any nostalgic property, while at the same time SHITTING ALL OVER what made the originals good.
Now they're gonna remake Big Trouble in Little China... doesn't matter if the original bombed, it's nostalgic and famous so into the grinder it goes!
I guess we gotta stop loving ANYTHING because if it's old and popular, it's gonna get rebooted.
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Fair enough (tho I make no judgments regardless).
I hate when I accidentally bash something the person I'm talking to likes XP
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Episode 7 was a decent start, but episode 8 was just a mess. Some moments were entertaining, loved seeing Yoda as a puppet again, but there were so many plot holes.
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That explains everything. Disney even made Jar Jar Binks look good.
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Well, they made him a clown everyone hates, I wouldnβt say they made him look good lol
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No no, George Lucas made him a clown, a clown that were a great annoyance to most people, but also only an annoyance.
No it was Disney's: Gender Wars - The SJW Awakens and Gender Wars - The last snowflake that people hated; because they are pure exploitation,combined with venomous anti-male propaganda without even one original thought.
No a film that focused exclusively on the young Jar Jar Binks from before he met Obi-wan kenobi would be a much bigger sell then what Disney did.
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......Iβm assuming you really didnt like the new movies. Iβm not blaming you really, Disney has been striking metaphorical gold with the Star Wars franchise by ripping out the heart and soul of the movies. Now I wouldnβt call them SJW movies (just because the lead is female doesnβt mean itβs SJW), but I do understand where your coming from
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No its not because the lead is a women that I call them SJW, it is because the lead is a mary sue, because of the disdain of the beloved established charecters and lore and because all the bad guys are white males while all the good guys are women with purple and blue hair.
I havn't even seen the last film, but the first one had the same general plot as A New Hope, except as I said, that the protagonist was perfect and knew everything from the beginning better then even old characters.
If I should have designed a new film, I would have started by not throwing out everything George Lucas did, especially with the expanded universe (which I admit I also haven't seen)
But if we start with the setup, Luke (and Lea until her recent departure) are two jedi masters living on the New Republics capital planet who have done the better part of two decades reviving the jedi order with a number of promising new recruits.
The three most promising is Luke's two boys Abel and Kein Skywalker and Lea and Han Solo's Daughter Hana Solo
There is no more Siths because the last ones died, that is what happened in Return of the Jedi. And Han Solo, rather then making him a deadbeat dad, completely reversing the character developments of the original, he is now the new Grand Chancellor of the Republic.
There is no "New Order" and no real remnents left of the empire, only a lot of chaos and crimes in the outer rim, as it is only really the core worlds and the inner rim that the New Republic controls.
But where does evil come from? It grows in the heart of every man, and Kein Skywalker despite being the second best of all the galexies new jedi students have a mayor inferiority complex with his big brother, and secretly starts to hate him.
When he disapears Hana and Abel set out to find him, only for Kein to duel his brother and defeat him (for the first time) using the power of the dark side, but using so much force that it kills him.
Leaving Hana wounded he flees, but soon finds out how much he loves this power, and how much he could do with it, He is disgusted with his uncles restraint and the rampant crimes in most of the galaxy. The galaxy needs a strong hand, his hand.
Neither Luke nor Han is able to leave the capital, they are needed to maintain order, so it all falls to Hana to find her cousin and stop him.
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But doesnβt Rey have brown hair? And doesnβt she emulate Luke who was also a Mary Sue?
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1) hair colour is irrelevant
2) Luke was not a mary sue.
The closest Mary Sue character to Luke Skywalker is properly Wesley Crusher from Star Trex the next generation.
Luke is not perfect, he develops gradually and struggles all the way. He dosn't pick up a lightsaber and is instantly an expert, nor is he a pilot or good enogh that he can handle everything without his friends.
Even taking the last film "Return of the Jedi" where he was the most powerful. He did not defeat the emperor, the emperor defeated him, and it was while he was lying there tormented and helpless that his father had a change of heart and betrayed his master to save his son.
Beyond that, Han Solo and Lea's exploits on the forest moon of Endor was also quite critical to defeating the empire.
See a Mary Sue is never put in that position. He or she is never dependent upon others, they never need help to defeat the bad guys and they most certainly are never at the bad guys mercy so they have to be rescued.
Why in the world would thou even think that Luke of all characters were a Mary Sue?
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But thou also see why the new Disney protagonist is a mary sue right?
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Personally, no. I do see where youβre coming from with the whole.........holy shit she is a Mary Sue.
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Because she can do all of these things from the beginning that Luke could barely do after years of training, and she dosn't need anyone to succeed.
See the reason why a Mary Sue is almost always female, is because she is more of a man then any man. She can have a waif dainty little figure and still beat a man trice her size, and do it with easy due to "girl power".
A mary sue is an avatar of vanity, which is why almost all men she encounter and especially the bad guys fall madly in love with her. In short, she is less of a character and more of a power fantasy.
Traditionally a Mary Sue was always caused by bad writing, a rookie writer who while trying to make a good character made a perfect character.
But like with the Socialist realism of Stalinist Russia, Mary Suism becomes an institutionalised trend for people desperate to push a political ideology. Said ideology must not be questioned or criticize and thus any depiction of it becomes humourless, dry and sterile.
The new so called "Star Wars" films are bad, not due to bad writing, but due to an invidious evil agenda that goes by the name of Social Justice but who is really just a new incarnation of the very same concrete socialism that Stalin stood for back in the 1950's.
It is a venomous hatred for the west, our history and in particularly the men who always have and always will be the bulwark that stands against civilisation and barbarism.
Look at Star wars or Star Trek or any of the new shows who have been infested with that ideology and thou can see what I mean.
It started back in the late 1980's when sitcom dads went from being the wise patriarch that kept the family together, to the bumbling idiots of Homer Simpson and his ilk. The mother became the dominant figure instead, and when they had trashed the dad sufficiently, they were ready to make new shows who completely abandoned the concept of nuclear families.
It is an old communist conspiracy, and it goes far beyond cinema, the chemicals we are surrounded by, and the food we eat, are all designed to destroy masculinity. Just look at the sperm count statistics.
It is just only recently that it have become so overt. And by recent I mean that it was doing Obama's presidency that the communist truly came out of hiding and into the street, and the campuses.
Under Bush the left still had some claim of being liberals. It is just so infuriating that ye are still calling them that, when everything they do are antithetical to liberal values.
It is funny about old films like Red Dawn, because the real communists are in Washington DC, and have been for a long time.
There are lots of hysteria about Trump. I know the people who seek to destroy him are evil, I just don't know if he is good. It would be the grandest and cruellest of jokes, if all of this time, he was just sat up to be the fall guy.
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I......think you got a bit off track there
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No it is actually very much like Star Wars.
The Sith lords have infiltrated the very heart of the republic. The true enemies of the constitution are not foreign, but domestic.
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No no, I mean how you went from Star Wars and bad character design to Socialist Conspiracies
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Because it is not "just" a bad character design.
Jar Jar Binks was a bad character design, but the new Mary Sue protagonist, that is a deliberate and concious attempt to use the franchise to push a political message, and one that is inherently anti-western.
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Why does everything have to be a conspiracy nowadays? Oh! The new Star Wars movie has some vague links to Socialism, it must have some kind of secret agenda! That logic can literally be applied to any movie if you looked at it long enough. Oh! The new Jurassic Park movie is Anti-American and Pro-Hispanic! Itβs about an indeginous population being pushed from their homeland and being sold off by greedy businessmen or released into a alien world!
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Because Hollywood is and have always been in the business of producing propaganda.
And if it just were socialism, then it would be one thing, but what they are really pushing is something far worse, namely globalism. They attack values, all the values of the west. I think the most disgusting cinematic example of this in recent times beyond Star Wars were Avatar.
It played the concept of "the noble savage" completely unironically and without a shred of humour. Noble savage is an oxymoron. Morality is something that have to be learned, we aren't just born virtues. Look at babies, they are monsters, complete and utter monsters until we teach them how they should act. It is okay for a baby to be completely self absorbed because it can't do anything other than scream and poop but we don't want adults to be like that.
The morale of that film is that civilisation is destructive and that we have become callous due to our alienation from nature.
Opposite of the "evil humans" are the giant smurfs that live in harmony with nature.
But it is only a mind that have become so detached from the natural world that it no longer is able to even comprehend it that this narrative makes sense, because real nature is brutal.
There is a reason why real savages are savage, they need to be, simply to survive, because for a savage every day is a struggle for survival, so naturally such a person have no patience for humanist ideas.
I am a big South Park fan, and I saw their Avatar parody "Dancers with Smurfs" years before I actually saw the real film. Back then I still watched Simpsons so I also saw their much less imaginative "parody" episode. So with these two episodes in mind I really really hoped, almost to the end, that it had been South Park's version that were correct, that the giant blue smurf Indians ended up all dying due to the action of the traitorous protagonist, because that would have been a good ending, that would have been an Aesop.
I even had the ending visualised where after the big slaughter we see the protagonist back on Earth being interviewed by his lawyer, who then walks out into a beautiful green park with children playing and people walking their very normal dogs.
That would have given a message of both sides had something. But no, it was all just western civilisation smashing from beginning to end.
If the film were a cake it would have the most beautiful glacΓ©ing in an intricate form, but on the inside it would just be a giant turd.
That is "multiculturalism" that is globalism. They are shitting on the west, they are telling us again and again and again, that all of the great achievement we have made over the centuries are nothing, and that we should be ashamed, about everything.
I personally find the current slavery debate in America to be the most myopically ignorant.
That the white man, especially the Englishman, is blamed for all of the evils of slavery, when he and he alone was the one that ended this horrid practice that had existed in all cultures until he stopped it.
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I gonna say this, the prequels still feel like a SW movie, awful SW movies, but SW movies, the new ones doesn't have that feel
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The bigger sin of an installement, make us questioning if the franchise was good
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yes... I really wanted to ask to Mr. Lucas about this......"are you happy?"
Even I watched several times all StarWars movies since episode IV (1981 in Turkey), but never watched again Episode VII...still I did not watch Episode VIII.....Episode VII was terrible and I don't expect anything from the rest of series anymore. .... I belive spinoff movies would be much better...already be like that..
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He's already said that the success of The Force Awakens made him question his film-making instincts and he made a few NSFW comments about how he felt personally that people were comparing it favourably with the prequels (which he still considers his best work).
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You have explained why I believe that George has no frikkin' right to complain about any Disney Star Wars project, ever. He got paid.Β Β
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Disney's not holding up it's end of the deal, then--the prequel trilogy is still the worst of the trilogies. Sorry George, but face it, you didn't do those films well at all.
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clone wars alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last jedi and force awakens ...
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Having not taken the time to watch Clone Wars all the way through (variety of reasons), I wasn't including it in that assessment, you know, so to be fair. Just the movie trilogies. Heck, I even left out Rogue One if we really want to be specific (not that it would've changed anything in this case).
Since it's been brought up though, from what little I have seen of Clone Wars though, I'm still inclined to think the prequels are the worst of the Star Wars productions.
...save maybe that infamous holiday special, but the less said about that, the better...
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no, the worst is by far episode 1
2 is best of the second trilogy
episode 3 is decent
so the top 3 worst movies imo woud be
episode 1 - the phantom menace
episode 7 -Β the force avakens (because itΒ΄s basicaly a new hope rehashed and worse)
episode 8 - the last jedi (itΒ΄s part empire stikres back, part battlestar galactica with a bit of a suprice at the end and still overall mediocre)
rogue 1 however is in a class of its own, generaly i would put it on my top 3 best starwars movies at the top after empire strikes back and clone wars
so:
rogue one
empire strikes back
clone wars
so in conclusion speaking about the trilogies i find the 3rd one so far the worst and i doubt episode 9 will save it at all .. i doubt the movie will be even good on its own ...
the first trilogy is simply a classic, what else is there realy to say .. maybe some may not like return of the jedi as much because of ewoks
so at the very least the second trilogy imo is not as bad as people make it out to be .. sure the rise of darth vader may have been forseeable and cliched in revenge of the sith but it was good non the less ..
clone wars is just simply awesome for various reasons and iΒ΄m not gonna spoil it since you havenΒ΄t fully seen it yet .. so i can just say give it another shot ..
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I don't think you want me going into detail on how I rank the individual Star Wars films, because I can already guarantee you'll disagree with a passion, so for the sake of civility, we'll just overlook that.
I used to hold the prequels in higher regard myself back in the day, but the more time goes by, the more their many, many, many, faults become obvious to me, and the new sequel trilogy has only been making it more obvious to me, because say what you will of the films, their level of production is still leaps and bounds of an improvement in comparison to much of the prequels. The prequels suffered from sub-par acting, questionable directing, and some bad writing (sorry George Lucas, but either stick with directing or get a co-writer, because you lead-writing films does not seem to be your forte), all attempted to be covered up with splashy special effects a bit too much so to try and distract the viewer from its more obvious flaws. And there's filler galore, my gosh...looking back, it's astonishing how much material in all three of the prequels you could just cut out entirely without affecting the film's (usually rather thin) core plot, like, at all...which speaking as a writer, isn't that good.
This is why I see the prequels as the poorer trilogy of the three.
But that said, I do admit that Revenge of the Sith is probably my favorite of the prequels, because at the very least, that one came together nicely right where it needed to the most.
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