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zupunupi [2015-04-07 11:24:51 +0000 UTC]

Ehm - weather ≠ climate.
Thank you.

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oblivionartcraft132 [2015-01-21 21:25:57 +0000 UTC]

Dude you're awesome but you need realize you need to study to bit that there is major pollution problems going on.

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avatarfan2012 [2014-11-05 22:21:45 +0000 UTC]

LOL!!  Wasn't last year the coldest winter on record????

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Conservatoons In reply to avatarfan2012 [2014-11-06 16:54:43 +0000 UTC]

Are you suggesting that bureaucrats cannot control Earth's climate?!!!!

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avatarfan2012 In reply to Conservatoons [2014-11-06 22:58:38 +0000 UTC]

um yep

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Kajm In reply to avatarfan2012 [2014-11-06 11:37:23 +0000 UTC]

2nd coldest, and I believe, just for the North American continent. Having said that, there have been record cold and snow situations in quite a few countries in both hemispheres, and more of them this year.

1977 (79?) was the coldest winter for North America, and for the same reasons as last winter. 1963 is supposed to have been the coldest world-wide- and was pretty much the lowest point in the last cooling cycle. Even the Thames froze over again.

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Cochegara [2014-10-07 19:18:06 +0000 UTC]

This one really good

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Caranaar [2014-10-03 20:46:39 +0000 UTC]

Oh yeah, conservaloons, if you have the time, check nationstates, it's a cool place where people from all political sides of the spectrum gather together to argue.You would do great there, I saw some conservaloons just like you.Oh and btw, I'm sure -they- can do the impossible and make you use your cerebrum.

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Conservatoons In reply to Caranaar [2014-10-03 21:35:51 +0000 UTC]

silly warmer.

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Caranaar In reply to Conservatoons [2014-10-03 21:39:41 +0000 UTC]

Truth be told, I'm quite cold, since at the moment I'm a bit ill. Anyway, do join, I would love to see 100 people smarter then both you and me take on you.That would be much more fun then debating with you myself.(Ikno, cause I be lazy and stuff).

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Conservatoons In reply to Caranaar [2014-10-04 07:42:56 +0000 UTC]

Warmers think they are so smart.  Yet there is that "pause" thing to explain away.  Oh, and their best and brightest is Al Gore.  That is a bit harder to explain away.   But, hey, you are spending our money to "research" your cause so there is no hurry.

no hippies please.

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Caranaar In reply to Conservatoons [2014-10-04 11:44:49 +0000 UTC]

First of all, I don't think I'm smart, I am smart, there is a difference.2) You only have that pause thing to protect yourself, and even that is stupid. ''Compared to the long term warming trend, hiatus periods of fifteen years are common in the surface temperature record. ''
The hiatus stands for your so called pause. As it says, it is common, and it lasts fifteen or so years. Even the pause is disputed, and not by liberal-zombies, as you think, but by men whose job is weather-research. ''When announcing the annual World Meteorological Organisation climate report in March 2014, the WMO secretary-general Michel Jarraud said that there had been no pause, with 2013 continuing a long-term warming trend showing "no standstill in global warming".
And even another one.
 '' A joint report from the UK Royal Society and the US National Academy of Sciences in February 2014 said that there is no "pause" in climate change and that the temporary and short-term slowdown in the rate of increase in average global surface temperatures in the non-polar regions is likely to start accelerating again in the near future. "Globally averaged surface temperature has slowed down. I wouldn’t say it's paused. It depends on the datasets you look at. If you look at datasets that include the Arctic , it is clear that global temperatures are still increasing," said Tim Palmer , a co-author of the report and a professor at University of Oxford. ''
If you will delete this post or reply and then ban me from replying, it will prove that you are a pussy, like most republicans that when confronted with strong evidence, will do everything they can to make the man and his evidence dissapear, as to keep men like you in the chains of stupidity and fox news.
And btw, I don't know who Al Gore is.For all I care he is another american politician with interests in science.I get my science from people who work in the field, not politicians, so you can take your Al Gore and throw him in a black hole for all I care.

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Conservatoons In reply to Caranaar [2014-10-04 16:47:30 +0000 UTC]

If you have to insist you are smart.....

Does it bother you that all their predictions have been wrong time after time?  Do we just give those a pass for the 100th time?  Shouldn't a track record mean something?   Frankly, astrology is more accurate the the crypto-meteorology practiced today.

Did you follow the money on those "studies?"     No.  Libs never do.

no hippies please.

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Veggiebad [2014-09-20 06:48:06 +0000 UTC]

Like the droughts in the western US, amrite? You don't seem to grasp the most basic fundamentals of the earth's atmosphere. 

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Veggiebad In reply to Veggiebad [2014-09-21 19:36:28 +0000 UTC]

blocked me.
He's mad.

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Conservatoons In reply to Veggiebad [2014-09-21 21:59:44 +0000 UTC]

You are a religious Warmist.  Even other Warmists acknowledge the cooling.. er pause.. and are trying to explain it.  Yet you say it does not matter and Al Gore's dogma must be followed.

In short, it is understandable.

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Caranaar In reply to Conservatoons [2014-10-03 20:43:43 +0000 UTC]

Truth be told, if you would look at those god-fucking-bless statistics, you would see that usual temperature is going up by the year.But that is, for people who can look on both sides of the political spectrum objectively and say: hey, this part from them is true, and this part from them is true.Let's fucking, idk, belive the truth? But you are not that intelligent, btw, I read both articles about global warming hoax guy, yeah, it is as if the 1% could ever speak the truth when it contradicts the 99%.I mean, if he is not god, and I seen the photo of him, god bless him he is not god, cause god is supposed to be perfection, then he is not right.Grow the fuck up, and become what your heroes glen beck and rush limbaugh are not, and that is:
objective.
Google it's definition, I doubt you know what it means.
Btw, sorry for any errors, It's late and I'm too lazy (like all liberals nanny-state lovers) to check on them.Sorry.

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Conservatoons In reply to Caranaar [2014-10-03 21:07:24 +0000 UTC]

So there is a pause in the pause now.  This Global Warming thing sure is tricky.

I wonder what the temperature of the Earth should be?    Why do all warmer "solutions" result in enriching governments and research institutions?   Why do liberals only follow the money when it concerns corporations or Republicans, but never academia?  Why is the goal of warmers to impoverish the world and not make it richer?  How many poor countries have an EPA?  Who is the better steward, rich country or poor country?   If warming were happening it would be a net benefit anyway.  Regardless, of all this nonsense, banning plastic bags and increasing the cost of energy will do nothing to effect climate.

You are lazy.  All libs are.  They are hypocrites too.  Your breath kills the planet and yet....

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Caranaar In reply to Conservatoons [2014-10-03 21:17:32 +0000 UTC]

First of all, I didn't knew bachmann had a deviant, anyway....It results enriching governments and research institutions because: 1) We can no longer trust corporations to regulate themselves, we gave them 100 years, they did shit, it's time to try the new deal.
2) Research institutions because we wanna know shit, you know, like not being stupid, like...the opposite of republicans.Yep, that's about right.
3) The goal is not to impoverish the world, it is actually to keep it as rich as possible while we still can.We still have fossil energy, and as such, we can make a gradual change from fossil to natural, without suffering major crisis.If we would do as you conservaloons want, which we wont, because we have a brain, we would find ourselves in 100 years with a giant-unstainable economy and nations that would no longer have that fossil energy on which they relied, and suddently their entire society would crush.How many poor countries have an EPA?Not many, but going by that standard, how many poor countries let people with different opinions speak their mind? How many poor countries have a government that lasted for more then 50 years(which is still much for your baby nation)?You lack logic, go find it.
Regardless of all this nonsense, banning plasting bags and increasing cost of energy are the first steps to shifting economy from fossil based to natural/atomic based.
I'm lazy, I'm not a liberal.I'm not a hypocrite either, I always stand by what I know(not belive, because that implies failure).My breath does kill the planet, because out of it comes CO2.

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Conservatoons In reply to Caranaar [2014-10-04 07:37:37 +0000 UTC]

1. Government is less trustworthy than corps because they answer to nobody.  In theory they ans. to the people, depending on govt sys but in reality it is run from regime to regime.

2.  Research is just as corrupt and political as anything else - more so these days w/ Global Warming "research" aka endorsement money at stake.  Like I said, you follow the money w/ business but willfully choose not to follow money of governments and ed. institutes.

3.  The goal is to punish successful nations.  The intention is "fairness."  The result is impoverishment.  Punishing success does not mean fairness - it means less success.  No poor countries care about the environment  They are concerned about necessities.  it is a vocation of rich countries.   The demand for "green" energy (wind, solar) is artificial.   Consumers do not demand it.  Most do not want that it.  It is an inferior product promoted by pampered Liberals who want to feel good about themselves.  Nothing more.  Until cheaper energy comes along it is stupid force extravagances upon the public so libs can feel better.

You are a lib.  Every time you exhale your breath kills my planet.   

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Caranaar In reply to Conservatoons [2014-10-04 11:55:18 +0000 UTC]

 If the government is not trustworthy, do a revolution or a coup d'etat.For that however you need more popular consent, and people to have the same ideas about government and research and fairness=impoverishment.Thing is, you don't have many people thinking that same thing or those same things, first of all not because there is a illuminati conspiracy to keep people thinking that gays are good and helping people is good, but because, by their moral standard, that is just ok. Second of all, you are the minority, and a dumb one at that, but I don't blame you.You say you were raised in the middle of a liberal state, and so you think it would be normal for you to be a brainwashed liberal, but somehow, through your intelligence, you discovered the truth. Me, being a european, can look objectively on your story (also, being a psicology student) and easily say that it was either the hate for how things work out in your state, a personal problem, maybe like hating blacks or muslims or being bullied, or simply your state of mind that tells you: ''If you work, you survive, if you don't you die, that's the way it goes.'' This state of mind of yours is natural to your country and your country alone (now that nazi germany had died off); And that is one of the many reasons why we look upon you americans and see buffons, because you are the soo called protectors of liberty and humanitarianism, yet when it comes to helping your fellow american in need, you imediately go bat-shit crazy. It is funny, seeing as you would pay far far faaar less for all these social problems then you pay now for your insane and not useful millitary budget.
P.S. it is also my planet, this wonderful terra, but if it were to have a brain, I'm sure it would choose me over you, cause I at least think about it once in a while.

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Conservatoons In reply to Caranaar [2014-10-04 16:42:02 +0000 UTC]

Earth is a rock.  It has no brain.  It is utterly oblivious of everything.  It is only of consequence because man inhabits it.  

If you really cared, you would do something about your noxious breath which you think is killing us all.  But you are a hypocrite like all libs.

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Veggiebad In reply to Conservatoons [2014-09-21 22:16:14 +0000 UTC]

Really? Al gore and not the consensus of scientists who actually study the atmosphere?

It is not a religion. Believing in your imaginary friend is.

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Conservatoons In reply to Veggiebad [2014-09-21 03:18:14 +0000 UTC]

an 18 yr pause in global warming?  Record icing.    I think I understand just fine.

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Veggiebad In reply to Conservatoons [2014-09-21 03:57:08 +0000 UTC]

Record breaking droughts and hurricanes are record icings? Your perception of reality is laughable.

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Conservatoons In reply to Veggiebad [2014-09-21 04:50:45 +0000 UTC]

We had more hurricanes than normal?  And sea ice is below normal?   And there is a "pause" in global warming?  Can warming pause or is there cooling.  Maybe cooling is pausing when it warms?   It is all a bit tricky.    I suppose we should all give money to Al Gore and let him sort it out.

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Veggiebad In reply to Conservatoons [2014-09-21 04:58:06 +0000 UTC]

Again, your perception of reality is laughable. Out of the droughts, the current hurricanes we've been having, sea ice below the standard deviation, and the overall change in the climate, you still deny all of this? This is beyond entertaining.

I would stop there, but I guess in a few years we would all be eating jellyfish since the climate change causes their population to be like cockroaches. Maybe they should have some in Popeye's, amrite?

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Conservatoons In reply to Veggiebad [2014-09-21 21:53:26 +0000 UTC]

I see you point.  You better send Al Gore more of your money.   Still, there is that "pause" thing it the warming....

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Kajm In reply to Conservatoons [2014-09-24 08:15:38 +0000 UTC]

'the current hurricanes we've been having.'

Tells me right there- as IF his previous statements were not proof enough- that he is absolutely ignorant of what is going on in the world. All he knows is what he's told, and they have him running scared.

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Conservatoons In reply to Kajm [2014-09-24 19:12:15 +0000 UTC]

Yep, we have raised a generation(s) of people who fear weather.  Worse yet, they think that Al Gore and/or Govt are equipped to do something about it.    Yikes.

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Veggiebad In reply to Conservatoons [2014-09-21 22:16:59 +0000 UTC]

I don't follow it religiously. I just do common sense. Though I guess your imaginary friend would call that religious.

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Kajm In reply to Veggiebad [2014-09-20 21:17:34 +0000 UTC]

Ah, you mean the droughts in regions of the US which have been and still are mostly desert for the last 100 million years or so? California, where mega-droughts 200 years long occur at least once each millennia? That western US?

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Veggiebad In reply to Kajm [2014-09-21 02:10:19 +0000 UTC]

Yes, because washington, Oregon, all parts of California (especially Northern California) and Texas are all deserts, right? I suggest you visit these states before you spout out things other than facts.

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Kajm In reply to Veggiebad [2014-09-21 12:07:42 +0000 UTC]

Already have. I wasn't referring to Oregon or Washington. Can you tell me how drought in those states now, compares to the drought during the 30s?

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Veggiebad In reply to Kajm [2014-09-21 15:34:28 +0000 UTC]

droughtmonitor.unl.edu something like this? And fix your grammar, buddy.

When Oregon and Washington are experiencing droughts, as well as Northern California, which isn't even a desert, something is definitely wrong here.

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Kajm In reply to Veggiebad [2014-09-21 15:55:31 +0000 UTC]

Most severe drought ever recorded in Oregon was in the 1930s www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10…

Still doesn't compare to the 30s Dust Bowl www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service…

How far back do records go for those regions, anyway? What were droughts like during the Little Ice Age? During the Medieval Warm Period?

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Veggiebad In reply to Kajm [2014-09-21 17:13:35 +0000 UTC]

>not as dry
That doesn't mean there isn't a drought. And you have just disproved your own points by showing me that chart. You could CLEARLY see the uptrend in dryness from the 1900's to the 2000's. So there is your answer to all your questions. Lol.

Care to keep dancing?

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Kajm In reply to Veggiebad [2014-09-21 17:20:28 +0000 UTC]

I saw a peak in the 1930s and dropping thereafter. Care to get glasses?

You have YET to prove to me that droughts like these did not occur before 1900. Or that there were Never massive droughts far worse than anything we have seen in the past century, across that region.

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Veggiebad In reply to Kajm [2014-09-21 17:42:38 +0000 UTC]

Dropping? LMAO you're the one who needs glasses, buddy. I could clearly see a rise of droughts after that "dip". You keep grasping at straws but it's not helping you, is it?

www.climatechange-foodsecurity…

Get some reading done. It will help you as well. It specifically states that global warming IS a factor of droughts.

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Kajm In reply to Veggiebad [2014-09-21 17:45:21 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that's why the highest peak on the chart is in the 30s. Come to think of it, the climate was changing Then, too! Just like it has been doing since the atmosphere formed.

Global cooling IS a factor of droughts as well. And we are starting to dip into the next round of cooling.

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Veggiebad In reply to Kajm [2014-09-21 18:10:33 +0000 UTC]

Yes, because the droughts of the 1930's came from the change of CLIMATE where hot and dry air goes over the Midwest.

And please, there is a reason why the earth's climate was changing. BECAUSE THE EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE IS FORMING OXYGEN. There was no oxygen when the earth was forming, so of course climate was changing.

Global cooling ISNT a factor of droughts, since water comes from TWO sources. Mountain springs, and rain. Since our source comes from a mountain spring, cooler air means snow, which means melted snow, which means water. Get it, now?

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Kajm In reply to Veggiebad [2014-09-21 18:22:56 +0000 UTC]

Yet the people who claim we are over-warming the climate, claim that more rain will fall due to more evaporation, so shouldn't it be raining more now? And since there's more water vapour in the air due to warming, that should also mean more snow in the winters, which means more water. So there Must be something else going on, dontcha think?

As to your statement about the atmosphere changing to oxygen, do you really expect me to believe the climate has NOT changed at all since then? Did you notice the LIA? The MWP? The Roman Warm Period? The Minoan Warm Period? The Holocene Climate Optimum? Oh hey! That's a good one, can you tell my why the Sahara used to be a forest, with rivers and lakes, yet it isn't now? Especially if you believe there has been no climate change since the atmosphere shifted to oxygen.

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Veggiebad In reply to Kajm [2014-09-21 19:03:50 +0000 UTC]

Yes, there is something else, and it doesn't have anything to do with your imaginary friend. Cold water flow and hot/ dry high pressure airflow cannot make water into steam since firstly the sun cannot get the water hot enough for much rain. Also the Sahara desert was formed because of the combination of the Himalayas sending hot/dry air towards Africa, plus water flow from the Atlantic Ocean.

You also know the snow disappearance of mount kilamenjaro or the disappearance of mountain springs of California? I think the evidence is right here, buddy.

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Kajm In reply to Veggiebad [2014-09-21 19:12:58 +0000 UTC]

'Steam'? What the FUCK are you talking about? You have just proven that you DO NOT know.

'Himalayas sending hot/dry air towards Africa'

Almighty God. You are telling me that air currents flow backwards against ALL THE PREVAILING WINDS OF THE EARTH, for well over 5000 miles.

Guides who climb Kilimanjaro are talking about the FACT that the glacier is growing again, and the climate scientist who studied the glacier, recorded that the temperatures up there NEVER get above freezing.

I think the evidence that you live in FEAR of the weather and are INCAPABLE of understanding what you are seeing. I'm done with your limited mind.

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ONI-Defense In reply to Kajm [2014-09-24 04:40:49 +0000 UTC]

This guy is all over the place with factual errors. The desert is mostly the result of axial shifts in the Earth's rotation, with the region going through dry and 'green' periods every 41,000 years. 

Another flaw in his comments are his use of isolated regional examples, which are weak evidence when discussing global climatic conditions  (assuming his examples are factually correct). That's not to say they can't be/aren't evidence for the theory of AGW, just that they are weak examples an overly narrow examples. 

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Kajm In reply to ONI-Defense [2014-09-24 08:09:05 +0000 UTC]

*nods* Thank you!
I was also thinking of what I saw when I looked up the drought situation in Washington and Oregon states. It did not occur to me until later, that the areas most affected were in the rain-shadow region east of the Rockies.

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StormyTheTrooper [2014-09-20 04:14:39 +0000 UTC]

Explains why most Environmentalists are so white... oops... did I say something racist?

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DCJBeers [2014-09-20 03:13:28 +0000 UTC]

Very Funny and sadly true. I have had to explain to someone older than me that it is hot because it's summer and has nothing to do with this made up climate change.

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Conservatoons In reply to DCJBeers [2014-09-20 03:17:31 +0000 UTC]

It is sad

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DCJBeers In reply to Conservatoons [2014-09-20 03:26:02 +0000 UTC]

Yes it is! how can so many be so gullible?

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