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[2003-05-02 16:17:20 +0000 UTC]
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# Comments
Comments: 66
chill out, dont flame people unless you have art to back it up...
youre pathetic, you know that?
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After reading the last comment you left here (the one that is the second under mine. I have to agree about everyone using the Formula is getting monotonous. I too have been watching and enjoying anime for over a decade. Though I admit, I draw anthro and I am anime influenced, but I'm doing my best to create a style that is wholy mine. I admit that's how I started, but I realized nothing could differentuate my work from the hordes of others.
BTW, I only slightly disagree with your comment in your journal about "And anthro, unlike anime, doesn't have any very positive benefits." comment. I used to draw humans only, but then my girlfriend introduced me to anthro, and my style and ability has improved greatly. But, that's just me.
my two cents
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I'll some up some things now, because I probably won't be back for a little while. I have tried to emphasize that Japanese (as in of national origin) anime artists are very differing in their styles. I've said a bunch of times there's a world of difference between Aeon Flux and Lupin III. But the anime on DA is not differed at all, it's all a formula. I barely ever see characters looking like say, the doctor from Battle Angel Alita, or Cherry from Urusei Yatsura. It's all under the "pointy chin big eyes line for a mouth line for a nose streaky hair" formula. And the mold is that specific. I have been watching anime since I was 10 years old, so I know all different types of anime. I usually don't mean to be disrespectful, but the anime "scene" on here gets awfully monotonous. Trends come and trends go, but when they stick, and they bombard you all at once, it's time to batton down the fucking hatches.
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you know whats funny...
when people like you piss off people like us...
and then we let you get away with it...
that cracks me up.
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-koff-The Anthro's you are discribing are called "Neko's" most anthro artist don't draw these things. And anime art is one of the oldest styles of art in japan, and I think the style is beautiful. Please do not bash people because of their own art styles.
I also agree with Oasis. These's nothing wrong with drawing anime/anthro art, and lots of people do, the last thing people want is someone to say it isn't "art"...
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Hoo boy, dropped by after watching for a little while (before signing up). I'll just pick at what I see.
Ferus, look at the character icons in your signature. How different do they look, other than by hair color?
It's a formula. Big eyes, small mouth, angular hair, and always a white shiny streak over the hair.
You did not answer Ferus' question. He asked why anime isn't art, not what makes an anime just that.
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Fan art doesn't deserve DTFs because it's not your original artwork, it's copied off someone else's style.
The term "Fan Art" can be used in many different ways. If I were to draw this bottle of Mountain Dew in front of me, that could be considered fan art. If I were to do some abstract art of whatever, that could be considered fan art of whatever I just did and fan art of the abstract style, could it not? As for the "copied off someone else's style" part, that can go either. Example: I've have seen a bunch of artists do art in someone else's style of work, mostly because the said-style is oh um... popular. So it's pretty obvious that it will be seen around a lot. And on the other hand, there are plenty of artist (which should outweight the former) that do art in their own style. Sure some styles look alike in ways, but the chances of that being copied off of is slim, I say. And back to the "not your original artwork part"... I'm sorry, but I'm gonna disagree here too. While the art of whomever is done in the said-work may not belong to the artist, the art itself is.
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And finally... *points to Sasha's devComment* She pretty much hit the nail on the head on what I was also thinking. That's all for now.
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a well....if you're not into anime that's how your eye observes it, I get what you mean, like I said, I won't argue with you... to me, those Icons look all different to me but to you they look the same. meh *bye bye...again*
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Ok compare *if you ever saw the anime* Hellsing and Naruto and One Piece! those two anime are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STYLES!!! My point is that not all anime looks the same, you have to observe closer, what you just said about anime is what makes it anime......w/e, I'm not going to argue with you anymore because your just saying the same thing all over again.....bye bye
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Thanx for the comments on Stargirl1. I think you may be totally correct in your observations.
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your comment had one valid point out of 5.
however you want to lie to yourself justifying your other commments, your a troll, nothing more.
and if you dont like da cause its changed in the last year and a half, then you should find a new art community instead of getting off on being an asshole.
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Ferus, look at the character icons in your signature. How different do they look, other than by hair color?
It's a formula. Big eyes, small mouth, angular hair, and always a white shiny streak over the hair.
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give me one good reason why anime isn't art! exactly what is wrong with people drawing anime? anime is short for ANIMATION!! Yhink of it this way....anime is japanese cartoons...cuz it is...now tell me ....why anime isn't art? go on! shoot it out!! I wanna know!! i'm not saying this because I draw anime because I'm accually interesting in mny varieties of art. most negative comments I hear about anime here is all sterotype...
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doopty doop.
a very late response to some comment you left, which was positive, but riddled with rather stupid points. something about 'good composition...for furry art'
i'm not sure how it being furry really affects the composition of the picture. by removing the fur and tail, would the composition some how improve? doubtful.
if you don't like anime that's fine for you, it's also fine if you don't like anthro/furry things. yes, there are a TON of anime and furry artists on DA. and yes, many really good peices of non-anime and non-furry art have been overlooked so that people can +fav a stupid picture of a topless catgirl or something. and yes, that is sad.
but that doesn't make anime and or anthro art stupid. it makes a lot of the artists involved in the genres somewhat stupid for following and supporting art based upon a fad, and not upon the actual skill of the artist.
so, ignoring the mindless fans, you should be a bit more grown up then to complain about a style that many people find attractive, and or expressive. no, anthro does not = cat girls w/ giant boobs. personally i like anthro art because it allows you to be much more creative w/ chars than simply changing skin and hair tone. unfortunatly the fandom is chalk full of perverts. so, again, don't complain about the genre, when the fandom is what bothers you. that's not the genre's fault. and there are a bunch of good anime/anthro artists who actually have a lot of skill, and it's rude and unfair to be rude to them because you don't like the rest of the fandom.
there's a point in there somewhere.
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just want to point out something that maura said? Passing fad? Nono, anime's technically been around for oh...8, 9 decades. Not going any time soon. The only reason for this boom is because of shows like Pokemon which just made the market so widely known that you get a bunch of people who are new to the genre and unfortunately have to come in on the really bad stuff people are importing. In Japan also, plenty of people are just producing things like mad to see if they can get a bit of money. Cheaper than live action. And when this happens you just get people who are basing their style off of low quality stuff and so their work tends to reflect that. But people improve. And not everyone with anime art is one of those people jumping on the bandwagon. I know that I was into anime when I was about 6 or 7, before it was popular and before most people even knew what anime was. It's not people new to the genre's fault that the easy to find stuff to base their stuff on is pretty crappy and it's not the fault of older fans that what they've luved and known about for years has suddenly become popular and mass-produced.
And btw, those who strongly disagree, you read Harry Potter? I find it's like that. People are reading Harry Potter cuz everyone else is for the most part. There are some who picked it up before the boom of popularity but most read it afterwards. Frankly, I think that J.K Rowling is an ok writer but she's not brilliant. She doesn't match up in my book to the great fantasy writers like Mercedes Lackey or...tempted to say Tamora Pierce...Terry Pratchett, Tolkien (knew a girl who said Rowling was better than Tolkien and she was 13, not even a kid too young to understand ) and I just read the books when I'm bored. Perhaps she's not "traditional" enough for me, and yes dears, that's sarcasm there. But just because I'm not fond of her, I don't leave angry hate mails on her doorstep and I didn't give her any nasty messages through her goddaughter who I knew.
There's not much one can say to throught to people who have decided to despise something but it would be much more luvly to leave those opinions here instead of commenting on people's artwork. Or come up with a forum or something. Can't hate you for your opinion (tho some certainly have) but I'm allowed to disagree with it right? Arguments like this are a lotta fun. Gets them brain juices during these long summer months ^_^, that's why I sumwhat like you.
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I feel your pain. Anime's a pop culture thing and it'll fade out when people get bored of doing what's already been done. A lot of anime and anthropomorphic art isn't very forward thinking, and that's the reason it can't last. My advice is leave it alone, it'll fade away like soooo many pop stars. People will come to their own realizations in time, lecturing them isn't going to do any good, I'm sure you've noticed it's like talking to a brick wall. If they arn't open to your opinion, then they're never going to listen to you, and making people all defensive isn't going to do any good to forward your cause.
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Hm, well I'm not going to argue. If I've learned anything from confrontations like these, it's that fighting gets you no where. Seldom will you change anyone's mind. Hackneyed remark, I know, but that's what my thoughts are.
That said, I don't really mind what genre of art people choose to immitate. It does bother me, however, when people vote for their friend's art soley because it's their friend's; the "popularity contest" here on DA. That's a crying shame.
Oh yeah, and just out of curiosity, why don't you post your artwork here? Do you just keep a journal? Just wondering...I'm not trying to say "because you don't showcase your artwork here you don't have a leg to stand on," I know you don't need to be an artist to critique artwork, just as you don't have to be a chef to be gourmet.
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*float*
reading the past posts here made me see that you don't like many anime/manga/anthro artists! (jeeze, you think I could be any more oblivious?)
everyone's entitled to their own opinion...
personally, I agree with you on some things...
anime/manga/anthro fanart isn't really a great work ._. I'm a wannabe Mangaka myself, and it kind of depresses me to see nothing but fanworks on the daily top favorites, rather than originals that deserve that kind of recognition... we've seen those ones, already, give us something new!
just please don't hate me for being an anime artist *hides*
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oh god i agree with u about the anime artists..i dont have aything against them..its just that i mean there are toooo many..theres like thousands..well not that many..in the daily favs section everythings anime..sept the poetry..seriously mah fellow deviants..respecting art is one thing, but anime is it truly an expression or just eye candy...oh and umm srry to dayofreckoning for me to have to write this here...oh and umm..yeah...i still watch anime...for the animation..lets see some deviants try that.
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Heh....yet another deviant who thinks that because anime is popular, it's "unoriginal." Please do one of the following things before you do something add another topic about it to the forums or your journal:
a) grow up
b) realize that not much in art is original
c) put the poor horse down and just bury him.
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well, I have but this to add to this lovely conversation and that is that I have always thought that art is a form of self expression. Some prefer "traditional" styles and others prefer something a little bit new. It's just a new traditon. I mean, anime has been around since about 1900 and do correct me if i'm wrong but modern art isn't really old. Neither is photography. Nothing starts out old. Just about everything has a precedent. This is in fact deviantart and to deviate is to make a change from the classical norm. I thought that was the point of communities like this. Look at who we consider to be classic painters : Van Goh, Da Vinci, Velazquez. I've seen 'fanart' of Velazquez's work. Manet was a huge fan of Velazquez and did many imitations of his work. Was he a young fanartist undeserving of any recognition?
Go to a museum sometime and then come back and try to make those arguments again.
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Two of my very best friends can not draw either and they too give me critisim about my art and helpful hints. I do not mind that cuz they are actually trying to help. However, this guy here yes is entilted to his opinion, but does he have to say that certain forms of art are not art just because he thinks so? No! Anthro is art, Anime is art. The defination of art according to Merriam-Webster dictionary is 1. skill acquired by experience, study, or observation
- the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced b (1) : FINE ARTS (2) : one of the fine arts (3) : a graphic art
and finally decorative or illustrative elements in printed matter.
Which one of those definintions says that anthro and anime is NOT art? Hmmm? If you can figure that out, enlighten me.
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Too bad there's not a 'hate deviant'
You are such an asshole. yep.. *pets odduckoasis* Ya tell him!
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attack? dear me. i don't see him attacking anyone. stating his opinion, yes.
just because he doesn't draw doesn't mean he can't critize art. my boyfriend doesn't draw and he points out stuff to me all the time...so big fucking whoop.
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Quick question: Why do you have to attack people? There is a reason why anime/anthro art is often on the DTF. Could it be that a lot of people like it? Hmm.. I wonder...
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It seems that whatever I would have to say to you would just be echoing what's already said and clearly you don't give a crap about what anyone is saying, or you would have stopped being an idiot and learned to appreciate all forms of art and not just say "You people that faved this cuz it's anthro should learn to appreciate diverse art" get a freaking life. The people that fave'd my pic actually liked how it was drawn, and by the way, what the hell do you know about how the body is drawn and built? Contorted? What the hell is contorted? You obviously don't know jack about art so you feel the need to go to peoples artwork and just flat out tell them that it's horrible, thinking that it's constructive when all it is is down right rude. Why do you feel the need to go to pictures and just bash on them? Are you insecure? Or are you just so predudice against all forms of art, that you think you have to rip good artists to make yourself feel more important.
Well, you have a lot of people coming to your page right? If only to piss everyone off... you're doing a very good job of it...
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Hey, I see where you are coming from.
I'm sorry I sounded like a bitch. I should have tried to listen and see from your point of veiw before I got all ranting and bitchy.
The people who do get the tons of favs are fucking popular; so, yeah, I am pissed about that. Half the people who comment just want the artist to draw THEM something. Its fucking ridiculous. And, yeah, I totally agree on you with how the art has gone downhill.
My art isn't just about popularity, though, and just because its anthro doesn't mean it doesn't benefit. I'm hoping you will learn to like anthro art, through people like me who don't get favs and work their asses off to get it. I know the people who do draw anthro and that aren't popular but they draw so much better.
I hope that, with this, we can be friends on some terms.
Angel~
ps~ The artists here who read this and go flame my deviantart gallery are those who are immature and insercue that maybe some other person may not see it the same way you do, shut up. This isn;t about you, and it isn't for you. Its for the person with this gallery. I love anthro, I draw anthro, but I don't fav shit thats the fucking same over and over. Yeah, I went through a time where I sucked up to popular artists but I see where THAT goes. So, before ranting on me, and on this guy for having an opinion, look at his side of the fucking case. This just goes to show you that we should all just SHUT UP AND JUST DRAW.
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lol another sasshole know-it-all on da. how cute :>
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._. well excuse me for being as incapable as the rest of the world of coming up with something completely and entirely origional. That background was 100% inspired by the mountains here, that's exactly how they look (except less jagged, I thought making them jagged would make it look more interesting) I have no idea and have never seen a picture by whoever you said (I don't even know him) with that bg. I'm sure it's out there somewhere I'm not doubting that, but come now.. there's no need to get all pissy over it. Submit something origional youself before you go bitching at others. shesh.
Open your eyes. There's more to see.
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It's not my fault if you don't like anime. Don't go criticizing everybody's work only because you don't like the stile. It's nice to receive CONSTRUCTIVE critcism , but not "oh this pic is crap because I don't like anime ". There are many other stiles in DA, look around for something you like and coment on them. Why do you bother comenting on a pic you don't like?!
And what can you draw? There's nothing in your gallery to see.
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Awww how cute.
Too bad I don't draw big boobs. Have a look at my gallery, and you'll see. I have bigger tits then most of the "cat girls" on top daily favs.
Yes, I am young. I'm sixteen. I've been drawing since I was ten. Pokemon is what started it out. So, yeah, maybe I am a wanna be. But you know, anime isn't just Japan anymore. There are too many fans in other countries for it to be just a Japanese thing. Its a shame I won't be able to go to Japan and become an artist for a manga.
And not all anthro artists draw the same thing over and over again. In fact, I try to draw all the animals I can, whether unique or not.
Perhaps you should take a look at Chris Goodwin's art, and then you can tell me that anthro is about drawing the same thing over and over again.
And the fact is, I hate this place, because instead of setting a good enviroment for artists to enjoy art and discuss art, it has become a war zone and a popularity contest. So, don't go off trying to fucking tell me whats what.
I'm sick of commenting on people like you, who don't even bother to show their art. What do you have??? Pictures with bad lighting of your girlfriend?
Now, that was the rudest thing I have ever said to anyone here. So you can comment that "I suck cause I draw big boobed foxes" or you can shut the fuck up. Thank you.
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You must be mentally retarded, so rather than jumping the bandwagon and saying I hate you, I take pity on you. Poor thing.. *pat*
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Just curious... What right do you have to tell people what to like? ^_^
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Oh, and it's not like I go around putting dislike on every anthro or anime piece I see. That would be impossible, because there's so much on DA. I just hit the crappy fan art ones that arise in the Daily Favorites. You'll notice I leave original anime or anthro alone in the DTFs. Bottom line for me? Fan art doesn't deserve DTFs because it's not your original artwork, it's copied off someone else's style.
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See my journal if you want my reasons for putting dislike on things.
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I have nothing different to say than all the other people. Im going to leave this short and blunt. Your an asshole. Really, what kind of jackass needs to come to a community of aspiring artists and smash them down? Its quite clear that no one is perfect, and that everyone has room to improve. Thats why people come here, for some CONSTRUCTIVE comments. People come here to show off work they are proud of.
Ok...so much for keeping this short. Im going to end this by telling you to get a life further than insulting other's work. Infact, you have no RIGHT to insult other peoples artwork unless you have your own to post. You see, now if you had commendable artwork than perhaps you would have less people HATE you. But from what I see here you don't.
The main reason Im doing this is because I've seen you bash to many good artists. Now, after you read this (thats saying you DO read this) Im sure your going to go to my gallery and piss on my work, right? I expect it, though I really wish someone would kick you from this site. People dont need their pages tainted by your shit.
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So if you feel that flaming art you don't like is just, why do you feel the need to do it from a fake name?
I mean, seriously, if you think being a big jerk is right, there should be no reason to hide behind a false front. Maybe you aren't willing to accept whatever consequences result for your "counter attack"?
Please enlighten me.
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Um... How come I always see you commenting that you dislike just about every anime/anthro pic that makes DTF? ^_^ Seems kinda odd to me. If you hate them so much, why don't you just ignore them and look at what you do like?
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...not that it's any of my bussiness...but what did you exactly say to make all these artists so angry?
by the looks of it, it seems you're the only immature one here. deviant art is a place for all types of art work, that is why they have an anthro and anime section in the upload rules, if you haven't checked that out already. deviant is also here so people can post whatever artwork they feel proud of and get advise on how to improve. NOT to get bashed by random people that just happen to absolutely hate their art style.
another thing...some of these artists aren't even that old yet. they're still in their teens and stuff. so they still have a long way to go before learning how to draw everything so intensely realistic. anime and anthro is a great way to learn correct proportions...or something close to that. so...yeah
another question...exactly how old are you?
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My my my, have you nothing better to do than be pissed off at the world?
Obviously not. You claim so much to be a peaceful, respective artist yet you snidely remark that YOUR art rules over us all.
There is such a thing as "assholeness" and you're IT.
You simply don't belong here, mate. And it's about time someone here did something about you.
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I don't think you should insult peoples art unless you have art of your own uploaded.
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(more like absolutely hates and despises deviant worse than rotton tomato juice).
you really crossed the line. you insulted my friend, orin, and now she has taken a break from drawing. and after she was already having family-problems, getting sick, working two jobs overtime, and caring for her family's pets!
thanks a heckovalot!
if you can't say something nice, shut your mouth!!!
-a very angry banshee
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k this is so weird, you've been saying on other people's art that you hate the anime style, then you go and say how good it is in your journal entries?
hypocrate!
when you don't like a piece of art, don't thrash it, instead appreciate how much work goes into the drawings themselves!
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What a rude cookie you are. I don't know why you feel the need to be a jerk towards sketch artists.
Ohhh letseeee... maybe you're jealous of them? If you're so high and mighty, where's YOUR stuff, buster.
OH WAIT... there's none up here!
You may be a newbie who still has been here a month more than I, but there's one thing I've got and you dont: Decency and common sense.
There's no need to be rude, a jerk, or a creep for any reason. If you plan on opening your mouth, have SOMETHING TO BACK YOURSELF UP. All I see is a pretty empty gallery, and a loser.
You are a disgrace to deviantart.
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look you,I didn't expect that to get a daily [link] fact,ah didn't want it to knowing that people like you are around.
so buzz off!
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I saw the comment you put on the "Trinity Sandwhich" and I agree. People are only giving fav's too it because it has to do with the movie, much less the art. If it were two random twins and some girl then I gaurentee that everyone would be much less interested.
Now that I'm reading this, it seems like a lot of people dislike you. However, you still deserve you're opinion on art. I agree with you that anime is the primary art of DA. I for one do not really take interest in anime as an art...there are too many people doing it on this site already, yet few draw anime for a living. As long as it is constructive, you have the right to post as much art negative criticism as you need. Just try not to sound like a complete asshole in the process, heh.
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You have got to be kidding me. If you're gonna go and leave snide remarks on other people's deviations, the least you could do is post some of your own, and a profile of yourself, so people can come and give that BS right back at ya. It's ludicrous that you start a DA account just to retaliate against the furry and anime artists here. I find that extremely childish.
After looking at comments you've left at other drawings...
What do you have against sketches anyway? Just because there unfinished it doesn't mean that they're not just as good as a finished image. Let's see some of your sketches. Maybe then people will take you seriously.
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If you have nothing intelligent or nice to say, then talk about the weather.
I understand that while you may not enjoy many people's works the least you could do it 'constructive critism'. I know I know.....it is an entirely new concept to you, but give it a try. When you see a piece of art that you don't enjoy comment on how it could be better, not how bad it is.
I was looking through things and saw that you stated that you created this account to get away from the furry fanart, and everyone ripping each other off. Yet....you are ripping someone off, for there was always a person before you that has done the same thing. And didn't you even look at this site before joining it?
I would really enjoy seeing your art, so that I can gain a better concept of how amazing it is, thus giving me a better inlook as to why you are allowed to tell other people that there art is not good, or that it sucks. But please, out of consideration of others, if you really feel the need to stress your disdainful opinions on someone's art, send them a note. You just go to their main member page and were it says, 'write deviant a note' use that. Thus allowing you to be discreet in your unhappiness of the art, as well as not having so many other people out for your throat.
Have a very nice day, and I hope that you find art that is up to your standards.
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