Vasilivros In reply to SteelJack7707 [2019-04-28 00:05:41 +0000 UTC]

Ja tam bym wziął tego revoltecha, z tego co widziałem jakość napradę na poziomie a i cena (jak na figurki z anime) w porządku. Chogokin jasne lepszy, ale... najdroższa figurka jaką mam kosztuje ok 75 funtów a i tak się wachałem. 100$ po prostu nie umiałbym wydać.

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SteelJack7707 In reply to Vasilivros [2019-05-04 21:27:59 +0000 UTC]

W przerwie między zakuwaniem do matury, a... zakuwaniem, ni z gruchy ni z pietruch trafiłem na pewną tańszą opcję zdobycia figurek z lubianych anime - Nendoroid. Firma robi stylizowane na chibi figurki akcji (z nieco okrojoną artykulacją), ale z tego co widzę zachowanie detali mają całkiem niezłe i do swoich figów dodają masę akcesoriów, by można było przedstawić jakieś ich ikoniczne akcje, czy robią coś z czego są znane (kurde, mają nawet Geralta w ofercie xD). W marcu mieli sporą premierę postaci z Gurren Laganna - Simona, Kaminę i Gurren Laganna (od Moderoida, a ten to nawet może mieć zdjętą głowę, by przerobić ją na samego Laganna, w którym może siedzieć/stać Simon). Na eBay życzą sobie za jedną figurkę w okolicach 2 stówek. Nie mało, ale i tak nieźle (przynajmniej tak mnie się wydaję, bo same figsy są dość mikre).
Polecam sprawdzić. Na ten moment to chyba jedyna możliwość zgarnięcia głównych członków Brygady Gurren w formie figurkowej (o ile kogoś nie zniechęci stylistyka chibi). 

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SteelJack7707 In reply to Vasilivros [2019-04-28 19:01:43 +0000 UTC]

No fakt, mieć sześć stów, a nie mieć sześć stów to prawie 12 stów... no, i chyba mniej głupio będzie wspomnieć ciekawskim, przy odbiorze paczki, ile na to poszło... tak o połowę mniej... 
Chogokin najwyżej zostanie w strefie marzeń (albo jak sobie na niego zarobię i odłożę). Revoltecha może sprawie sobie po maturkach... choć potem będzie kurcić by kupić jeszcze jednego Revoltecha... ogólnie coś mnie ciągnie by sobie kupić trochę tych revoltechów, jak Spider-Gwen, czy Deadpool, albo Vasha (choć jego ceny oscylują w okolicach Chogokina ). 

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Vasilivros In reply to SteelJack7707 [2018-05-28 19:47:33 +0000 UTC]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ mój komputer pewnie by eksplodował w pierwszych sekundach, ale chyba trzecią opcję.

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SteelJack7707 In reply to Vasilivros [2018-05-28 22:33:58 +0000 UTC]

A mnie pewnie niezależnie od opcji wyskoczyłoby drugie powiadomienie ._.


Swoją drogą niektóre komentarze pod tymi komunikatami są nawet zabawne w swoim przerysowaniu i odwoływaniu się do najpopularniejszych powiedzonek z GL. Polecam zajrzeć    

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Vasilivros In reply to Thirteen4one [2017-12-17 09:52:28 +0000 UTC]

What the actual fuck is wrong with you? I know religious people are morons but what you're doing here is overkill.

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Vasilivros In reply to StripedHenchman [2017-09-26 18:47:36 +0000 UTC]

Ich verstehe dich nicht. Dein Zeichnungen sind erstaunlich und du preist mir an? Das ist sinvoll! Du kennst wie zeicht man so du muss sehen dass meine Zeichnung bestenfalls schlecht sind.

Uohhh, I don't remember writing this much Deutsch for a long time. Many mistakes? Point out all, I like learning languages.
Anyhoo, what do you mean by "style and it's humorous touch. It is refreshing and eyecatching"? Almost all my drawings (aside for Djokson's fanart) are just copies so there's not much of a style to talk about here. Unless you talk about style as just the way my drawings tend to turn out regardless of my conscious choices. Unconscious changes brain does all the time and all that.

Also thx, even though I don't really get it.

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StripedHenchman In reply to Vasilivros [2017-09-27 22:55:10 +0000 UTC]

Sorry for the long waiting time, had some rl time struggle xD

You surprised, me, that's a fact Thanks for this xD
It's not that much of "mistakes". It's just some grammar... we are complicated... very... complicated xD
Well, copying is an important step of developing, a step one uses at every stage if you ask me. It is like focussing on studies to enlarge ones motives. My gallery e.G. is full of many copies and many pictures were inspired by music xD
I'm trying to say there is no need to judge art pieces because they're an interpretation of other art, in my opinion.
And yes I mostly "talk about style as the way drawings turn out" without meaning to value them as bad or uncomplete or whatever a technical hooked perspective dictates them (not) to be. I think those lines show how you see the objects you draw, and everybody sees different symbolics of those objects more or less, abstraction begins with the first line. >That's why technical perfection makes things booooooring and soulless<
No your interpretations are cool and the humor you put in some pieces is refreshing, e.G.:
 
In conclusion I was meaning that I like your drawn impression of the objects/ ideas/ Fanarts and am looking forward seeing more of your works



Aaaand, here we go about the german:
"Deine Zeichnungen"
I'm not sure if you wanted to say "This is meaningful" with your third sentence
The third is, umm, I don't know what you were trying to say exactly ;-;

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Vasilivros In reply to StripedHenchman [2017-09-29 18:12:39 +0000 UTC]

Translating back to what I thought in English (hehe)
"Your drawings are outstanding(erstaunlich) and you praise mine? That doesn't make any sense! (sinvoll)"
Thx a lot for the feedback, help from natives is invaluable.

">That's why technical perfection makes things booooooring and soulless<"
That's were you're wrong. Many see technical perfection as something like symmetry or detail (anatomy, colour theory etc), while it actually means achieving what someone tries to do 100%. There are more ways than one to get the best result too, with all being equally "the best". There's also affective fallacy- the error of judging something based on opinions, and that is a problem related to this as well. Tho, that's a ridiculously meta topic in drawing.

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StripedHenchman In reply to Vasilivros [2017-09-29 18:39:34 +0000 UTC]

I see, in this case "unlogisch" or "sinnlos"/ "sinnfrei" would have been the word you were meaning. "Sinnvoll" means "full of sense", well, kinda.

I must say here that I think I am not wrong I shall explain more detailed here: In german language one (me) oftenly uses a great these to seperate a point into an duality. I wasn't meaning it like "Don't practice realism". I was meaning it like seperating technical drawings from any personal aspect and place it as THE thing, you know? In fact I think the personal interpretation is like the line that one walks at and collects all the other (technique, motives, messages,…).
I'm fine with any other philosophy, I'm talking out of my philosophy when pitting them away, I still am working on doing this in an less valuating way. i didn't mean to offend anyhow xD
Also I have to admit: wasn't completely understanding the thing with the meta topic, mind repeating more easily? :L

About the ways: In the end there are as many ways as people are, some just seem not to walk theirs sometimes xD

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Vasilivros In reply to StripedHenchman [2017-09-29 19:08:57 +0000 UTC]

Seriously, fuck online translators. I typed something like "doesn't make any sense" and I got the polar opposite... GOD... damn.

"I wasn't meaning it like "Don't practice realism". I was meaning it like separating technical drawings from any personal aspect and place it as THE thing, you know?"
As usually with logic, logic itself is not incorrect, but the assumptions are incorrect. Definitions are: perfect things are devoid of any and all flaws; technical means of or relating to technique. Both these words are indeed associated with boring science and maybe also math, but that isn't their meaning.

As for meta it means pertaining to or noting an abstract, high-level analysis or commentary, especially one that consciously references something of its own type.
In short: DEEP shit. A meta drawing would be something like this one
And meta about drawing would go like "learning to draw is reverse engineering human perception" I guess.


"About the ways: In the end there are as many ways as people are, some just seem not to walk theirs sometimes xD"
I have no idea what you mean. Please say it again.

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Vasilivros In reply to Struggle-Bus [2017-09-16 01:59:23 +0000 UTC]

Ooooh what a monster I am for not yet being a fucking Rembrandt at art after barely 2 years of drawing. Yeah, fuck me, the fact that I'm a bazillion times better than people who do it for over 15 years doesn't mean jack-squat. Yes, your logic of straight up denying the reality ("Unfortunately, I'd have to say that your artwork leaves quite a bit to be desired, and in those areas especially." ) surely moved me.
Fuck you, that person is indeed terrible and continuing that is just a waste of time, hers and everyone around her. No I haven't "picked up a "how to draw" book or took a couple classes" (nothing is as good as some baseless assumptions from people who don't know you, I tell you that) quite the opposite I really enjoy taking apart the bullshit people "teach" there.
Normally I block inbreds like you, but I really am curious how you'll respond. If you will that is.

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Struggle-Bus In reply to Vasilivros [2017-09-16 02:06:49 +0000 UTC]

Drawing a muscle incorrectly doesn't make you good at anatomy. 

If you'd like a full critique on each individual piece you've linked right there, I'd be happy to oblige because they all could use some work. Not surprising, I forgot that you probably don't know what an actual art class is (you know, a place where you learn real technique), because you're an edgy teenager. 

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StripedHenchman In reply to Struggle-Bus [2017-09-26 13:10:37 +0000 UTC]

It's funny how pitiful your comment is.

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Vasilivros In reply to Struggle-Bus [2017-09-16 02:13:39 +0000 UTC]

Go on show your literary skills by taking apart my drawings.... wait that's piss easy. Besides that's what "studies" are for, quick drawing of things repeated often. But those are as exciting as a kid doing his homework, so that's why there are very few of them on my DA. Surely I'm not trying at all just like you said.
But really do critique it, maybe I'll learn something.

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Struggle-Bus In reply to Vasilivros [2017-09-16 02:39:41 +0000 UTC]

No, the point of "studies" is to study something, look very close, spend time and draw as accurately as possible. The point of "sketching" is frequent practice. If you do multiple studies quickly then you just draw the wrong things over and over and build up bad habits. But hey, what would I know.

But, since you're taking me up on the critique, maybe you can also learn how to constructively talk to someone about their art. 

leg muscles: Good start, honestly! I would focus more on the proportions of the leg, the shin looks a little too compressed. What might help is trying to get the proportions correct in an outline and then work on the interior afterword. Another thing that's hitting my eye wrong is that the peroneus longus doesn't seem to be laying correctly, and it's making the shin muscles look like they're moving in the wrong direction (toward the interior instead of the exterior)

 Gesture drawings: A good idea for a study, and a very good idea using athletes. The biggest factor to pay attention to here is, again, proportion. Spend a little more time measuring out things in proportion to each other (how big is the arm compared to the torso, for example). For gestures these aren't bad, but be sure to stay on this level until your eyes get a little better at measuring the proportions of the human body unless you're really willing to spend the time to fix the mistakes made in the gesture. 

Torso 1: Even when you aren't specifically drawing only the muscles, you should make sure to do research to see where the muscles lay under the skin, the abs in particular aren't laying quite right. The serratus anterior also don't look quite right. That being said, the pectorals and collar bone are very nice in this!

Shoulder (4): Good job laying the muscles, however your linework makes it confusing. The interior fibers of the muscles are given just as much dark linework as the outlines of the muscles themselves and that creates a busy, confusing effect. It's hard to tell what's a separate muscle and what's a fiber texture. 

Hand bones: Considering that you aren't working on the actual shape of these bones in a 3 dimensional space and instead on their placement, this is pretty successful, especially in the thumb and wrist area. The phalanges on the ring and pinkie finger are a little misshapen though, they're a bit compressed. I'd recommend finding a good anatomy book or some more good references and focus on copying from that. 

Did you notice the mix of positives and specific things to work on? That's how critique works. Shocking concept, I know.
And because you might be confused, my beef is pretty much only with your shitty attitude.

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Vasilivros In reply to Struggle-Bus [2017-09-17 17:33:17 +0000 UTC]

GASP! You're not a one-dimensional person! And you know what? Me too!

Anyway:
What I meant with studies is that it's quicker and more efficient to screw things up, and then draw again fixing those things, changing. Then again, English is my second language so I get your point.
You surprised me with being unbiased there unlike in the beginning and that's very much appreciated. What else can I say... you're right? I mean, that's the truth, including the shitty attitude part and everything.

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Struggle-Bus In reply to Vasilivros [2017-09-17 17:50:17 +0000 UTC]

I really mean what I'm saying. I'm very passionate about art and proper critique practice. I appreciate that you took the time to read it, I realize I sort of wrote you a book there. Thank you for hearing me out.

All I can say is that sometimes it's just a little more productive to be gentle with people. I know sometimes you see things that you personally just don't care for, but if you really think you can help them improve, it helps to take some time to consider what style they're going for and use that to come up with a couple of specific pieces of the work to change or consider. Being rude or confrontational tends to just make people shut down out of conversation and no one gets anything out of it. 

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Vasilivros In reply to Struggle-Bus [2017-09-17 18:45:13 +0000 UTC]

You know who and you know where, so please tell me how I sounded in that first conversation on the commission post. I really don't know anymore.

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Struggle-Bus In reply to Vasilivros [2017-09-17 18:57:25 +0000 UTC]

"Just passing by to say your art sucks horribly (7 years for this holy balls 3: direct to video? it's just sad) Learn anatomy and shading. Or anything about art for that matter, because now you know nothing and it shows. You're an idiot. I hope you have a bad enough day to start thinking if maybe I was right all along, goodbye." 

That was the comment. I'd like you to just read this over and think what your response would be if someone left this on one of your pieces. 

It's just plain rude. That's all there is to it. You're telling someone (a hobbyist even) to quit instead of giving them tips to help them get better at something they're clearly doing because they enjoy it. 

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Vasilivros In reply to Struggle-Bus [2017-09-17 19:03:36 +0000 UTC]

Not that one! I thought it was obvious from the journal!
Art Commission Prices

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Struggle-Bus In reply to Vasilivros [2017-09-17 19:07:34 +0000 UTC]

I was just responding to this conversation, I didn't realize we were talking about that. 

Basically, as an artist she has the right to name her own prices. I would happily pay that for a custom picture of that quality and if you don't like it, or you don't think the style is worth paying for then.... Well. Just walk away. That's all I can say. 

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Vasilivros In reply to Struggle-Bus [2017-09-17 19:45:12 +0000 UTC]

"If you don't like it, don't look at it" Yeah just screw expressing anything not positive. Let's live in a cotton candy world, no negativity allowed.

...

Yes she can even ask for millions, but that's unrealistic. And so is 30$. She doesn't have neither knowledge nor skill to demand any money for her art. She can, but that's silly, especially considering the competition here. Link to prove I'm right Commissions!


You can do whatever you want, but just as well anyone can call you out on it if it's dumb. It works both ways.

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Struggle-Bus In reply to Vasilivros [2017-09-17 19:53:39 +0000 UTC]

No, I said if you don't like it, don't pay for it. Don't put words in my mouth just to attempt to make yourself look more reasonable.

Euros are worth more than the american dollar, so that artist is charging more already. $30 is also reasonable. Online commission prices are typically WAY lower than what is deserved because people don't value art as the skillset it is. Ultrapancake's artwork is what we call "very stylized". Meaning that in the ways in which she draws, colors, and shapes characters is unrealistic by default and a lot of people find her particular style very cute and visually pleasing, myself included. Just because it's not something you place value in doesn't mean no one does. Her linework is impeccable, her coloring is even and cute and her expressions are top notch in my opinion

The thing you're not realizing is that it isn't dumb. That artist you linked decided to charge that little for their work despite probably in enough time and effort that they could reasonably charge far more than what they are right now. 

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Vasilivros In reply to Struggle-Bus [2017-09-17 20:12:17 +0000 UTC]

I wasn't putting anything in your mouth, just showing that those use the same logic.

And boy here we go again, yet another person who uses style as an excuse. You have no clue what a good style is. Yes there are good and bad styles.
Luckily there's a really good article on that here design.tutsplus.com/articles/r…
TL DR
No, read it, no lazy option here.

Also you confused Euros with Pounds, if you didn't look like an idiot American you sure do now. World's bigger than US, you know?

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Struggle-Bus In reply to Vasilivros [2017-09-17 20:22:21 +0000 UTC]

No they literally don't. Paying money for something and giving criticism are two very very different things.

You know what? Fuck you. I gave you three very good reasons why her style ISN'T a bad one, but you decided not to read what I said yet again. Here are a few more: Her characters are recognizable as what they're supposed to be. The exaggerations she takes are pleasant to look at and have a basis in reality. The characters aren't misshapen or oddly proportioned. REALISM AND SEMIREALISM. AREN'T. THE ONLY. OPTIONS. Look at how goddamn popular all of Sanrio's designs are

Ah you're right. The pound is worth even more money than the dollar. Whoops. Sorry I can't keep europe's different currencies straight when they literally play no part in my life whatsoever. My point remains the same. 

Also: You changed the topic of our conversation back to Ultra-Pancake when I came to you complaining about the way you treated her-only-rhyme so I'm thinking you might have a teensy bit of a salty obsession with her. How embarrassing.

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Vasilivros In reply to Struggle-Bus [2017-09-17 20:45:22 +0000 UTC]

There are two currencies in EU that matter- euro and pounds. One is being used by half of EU and the other used by UK both of which are crucial for the word economy and politics. You're a child for not knowing that.

"REALISM AND SEMIREALISM. AREN'T. THE ONLY. OPTIONS. Look at how goddamn popular all of Sanrio's designs are"
And where did I say that they are the only options? Lets try to get that to your thick skull that way. Babies are real. Babies are cute. Babies have bigger head in relation to the body and much softer shapes. Sanrios's designs have bigger heads and soft shapes. Sanrio's designs are cute. Where am I wrong here?

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Struggle-Bus In reply to Vasilivros [2017-09-17 20:48:57 +0000 UTC]

For not being interested in world economy and politics? I'm a professional artist, fuck that shit those are boring as fuck

You're specifically ignoring everything I say about her-only-rhyme like.... are you just gonna keep ignoring why I came here? Is it because you know that you only went after her because she also commented on Ultrapancake's page..????

If you understand why sanrio designs work, then what's... your problem... with Ultrapancakes art exactly??????????????? Please address my relevant points instead of cherry picking things I'm only using as examples. 

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Vasilivros In reply to Struggle-Bus [2017-09-17 21:04:32 +0000 UTC]

"are you just gonna keep ignoring why I came here?"
I already agreed with you on that matter, so what's the problem(aside for being a dipshit)?

"For not being interested in world economy and politics? I'm a professional artist, fuck that shit those are boring as fuck"
1.No you aren't 2.It's even written "student" on your DA profile 3.You really aren't 4.Good luck when suddenly war comes to you, taxes rise, or anything else of that nature happens

As for Pfannkuchen (now you go back to her, look at that), try to define what is she going for aside for "cute". She makes fullbody characters that sometimes are anatomically correct and sometimes aren't.  She sometimes uses manga specific design choices and sometimes doesn't. She draws characters that are supposed to be looking older than a baby, but gives them baby hands instead. Both "fullbody" and "chibi" can be called chibi, there's very little difference. What's the point of those choices? Picking what things to draw at random isn't a style.

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Struggle-Bus In reply to Vasilivros [2017-09-17 21:14:25 +0000 UTC]

Oh right, choosing a profession only counts after you get hired into an ongoing career. Forget that I've been paid for multiple graphic design and illustration jobs for a corporation. Professionalism only comes after degrees and ongoing careers. Just because I'm currently a student to hone my skills doesn't mean I haven't been paid for my work, which is the definition of a "professional". But then again, the aspiring hentai artist knows all

War: wouldn't require me to know about fucking euros vs pounds
Taxes: Probably gonna be taxed in US dollars
My life: Based in America, I prolly only really need to be familiar with the politics of my own country. Unless Europe invades which... why would they want this shithole???

I didn't go back to her, I'm responding to you who has brought her into this conversation even though she's not what I came here for. An artist also doesn't have to resign themselves to using only one style and they don't have to be held to it like law to be good either. 

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Vasilivros In reply to Struggle-Bus [2017-09-17 21:34:22 +0000 UTC]

"Oh right, choosing a profession only counts after you get hired into an ongoing career. Forget that I've been paid for multiple graphic design and illustration jobs for a corporation. Professionalism only comes after degrees and ongoing careers. Just because I'm currently a student to hone my skills doesn't mean I haven't been paid for my work, which is the definition of a "professional"."
Because I knew of any of that you mentioned. Next time send me an in-depth biography of you so I won't make any mistakes like these again.
You said politics, I said it's important and you went back to currencies, ignoring everything else politics are about. Good job.
"An artist also doesn't have to resign themselves to using only one style and they don't have to be held to it like law to be good either."
No, but everything needs a purpose and hers art has none. She draws in one "style" that has no specific characteristics besides that it's "cute" and made by her. Were it different styles, that's different situation, but ONE style needs ONE set of rules. If you change it you make ANOTHER style.
Anyhoo, I'm tired, you stopped being an amusing idiot and you're just annoying now. Everything you say shows how ignorant about art (or anything) you are, yet your arrogance knows no bounds. I'm almost reminded of arguing with my 10 years old sister.

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Our-Celestial-Death In reply to Struggle-Bus [2017-09-16 15:39:27 +0000 UTC]

you're a hero to the people 

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Vasilivros In reply to BIOMOCKER [2017-07-28 11:59:25 +0000 UTC]

K

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