SF-Production In reply to Copycat-The-Unknown [2011-02-01 21:58:42 +0000 UTC]

Meh, a lot of atheists and non-christians do the same thing.

So why does it matter? Christians are just doing what they think is right and they have the freedom to do so.

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Copycat-The-Unknown In reply to SF-Production [2011-02-01 23:53:48 +0000 UTC]

deviantART is not meant for converting people to Christianity. I know that Christians will do as they please, but this site is meant for art and criticism, so people who make accounts on here for the sole purpose of spreading the word of God should not be here. Now, if they're discussing religion with dA friends, commenting on artwork relating to religion, or someone asks them about it on here, that's fine, but if they're just posting messages saying folks should become Christian and only that, then I believe that it's nothing more than just spam.

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Chrishankhah In reply to Copycat-The-Unknown [2010-01-28 07:37:15 +0000 UTC]

If you're a Christian, then surely you know that we are commanded to "impose" on others by Christ Himself. As it is, what Krush is doing is hardly imposing.

Do you believe that Christ is the only way that the souls of men can be saved? If so, then do you truly care for the souls of men, or only that earthly lives may continue in comfort believing as they will?

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Copycat-The-Unknown In reply to Chrishankhah [2010-01-28 15:36:10 +0000 UTC]

...Okay first off, I posted this about 5 months ago, so you should've just let this drop. Second, isn't one of the 10 commandments "Respect thy neighbor?" Doesn't that mean that we should respect our neighbors and their decisions? Doesn't that make KRUSH the one going against God's will and ME the one who is abiding by it? Because the last time I checked, telling people that their beliefs will send them to Hell and trying to make them forget everything they were taught as a child in order to give you some peace of mind does NOT qualify as "respect[ing] thy neighbor". I may not know for sure if Jesus or God are real (and DON'T give me any of your "Accepting Christ" bullshit or I WILL block you), but I do know what's right and wrong, and making people feel bad about their own religion just so that you can feel better about yourself is just flat out wrong.

And to add on to my previous statement, I'm perfectly happy about not knowing for sure about God's existance. It adds a little excitement and mystery into my life, and I'm 100% content with the way I live my life, as are others.

One more thing, this is an ART COMMUNITY, not a place where you can convince people to join your religion. Keep it professional by keeping religious matters out of this website!

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Eternalskyy In reply to Copycat-The-Unknown [2011-02-28 05:17:03 +0000 UTC]

I agree to this, I also only believe in helping others through knowledge- especially on reading something that is self-improving and helpful in my personal life i'd help another person's life by sharing the information in a way that would be life changing. But I totally completely agree with ya, I just don't see religious quotes helping my life at all, or doing me any good. They actually make people sometimes feel guilty, and unable to change- without the proper information needed to change one area of someone's life. That's just me.

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Chrishankhah In reply to Copycat-The-Unknown [2010-01-28 19:28:13 +0000 UTC]

1 - I only saw it now. If your opinions haven't changed then my comment remains relevant, right?

2 - The second Decalogue of commandments is summarized as, "Love thy neighbor as thyself" -- Do you love your neighbor? Do you love them enough to wish salvation for their soul, or will you rather respect their worldly and carnal pleasures and comforts?

Christ didn't teach to make other people feel good about themselves. Christ didn't make other people feel good about themselves, either. People hated Christ for the words He spoke. Indeed He loved men and healed men, and much of this testified that He is God -- for which reason men hated him more. There is a great and grave misunderstanding as to why Christ came, and the purpose of Christians as a result. Christ also said to go into all of the nations and make disciples.

You don't speak as a Christian. "Accepting Christ bs"? I give the gospel a little differently than that, but is that nevertheless how you feel about the saving gospel? That it is BS? You don't speak as one who has been broken over their sin, who has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit unto new life.

The "this is a _ kind of place" can be used as an excuse anywhere you go. "This is a place for shopping, not preaching" and "This is my home, not a church" ... Again, Christ said go into all of the world. This is all of the world. It isn't about convincing men to join a religion. It is about the hope for souls to know that there is one true, Righteous and Holy God and we have, mankind as a whole, sinned against Him. There is a penalty for that, and it IS death eternal. We DESERVE hell. Don't you believe these things? Don't you care enough that others believe these things that they might escape them through God's grace?

Personally, I don't think Krush said enough in the posts he's made. He oversimplified it. There is so much more that men must understand than to "accept Christ" -- hence so many evangelical churches filled with false professing Christians who make a confession and then continue on with their carnal lives. The truth is frightening.

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Eternalskyy In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-02-28 05:15:10 +0000 UTC]

Uh, personally I think that by reading self-improvement books and giving help to people and information that is life changing is the only way to help people in society, i'm sorry but... I don't go to church because it's not self-improving for me and I like self-improvement of myself and helping others, but I don't feel stating the quotes above would help myself. But in personal bias I don't know/think it'd help others, i'm only stating my opinions to this : D but I love helping people more than anything- sometimes ya gotta show them the truth of the world for them to be free of stresses.

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Chrishankhah In reply to Eternalskyy [2011-03-01 07:33:02 +0000 UTC]

I can't tell you what to believe, but I can tell you that what you do believe is in no ways a Christian worldview, which is based on the Bible and follows the commandments and person of Christ. To call yourself a Christian without believing even the fundamental Christian doctrines would be like if I submitted work applications as a "Black Canadian Male" when I am a white American female. It's pointless and makes no sense.

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Eternalskyy In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-03-01 08:31:11 +0000 UTC]

No, I believe in the commandments and the general idea; most importantly a relationship with christ. But that's after gaining knowledge with some books and self-help on my own doing and learning that other people have emotions and for myself to not be self-centered as much as I was; I used to be a bad person towards others. But, I haven't found the words of the bible to be helpful to me in my life, but rather outside sources which compliment words from the bible. However, even reading it today- it doesn't really work towards self-improving my life. However, I do believe the words 'said' in the bible are perfectly legit and I 100% believe one should follow by them. I just never could exactly 'follow' by them by just statements/preachings in that way, same with within a church. But what's helped me improve myself and my views in my life were by other books. Just saying, I wish to help people the best that I can, maybe some can be helped by the bible but i'd guess others cant be. It just depends on the person. Heh, but I just keep thinking the help I got, books i've read can help anyone become a better person, that's just me though : ) *shrugs*

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Copycat-The-Unknown In reply to Chrishankhah [2010-01-28 21:03:04 +0000 UTC]

The reason I dislike folks such as you is because you impose yourselves onto other folks. I have grown up in a christian household, and I do consider myself a good person, but my friend, just accepting him as our savior is only part of it. Do you really think that a convicted criminal, who did nothing but horrendous, sickening and twisted things to people in his life, and remained that way for the rest of his life, feeling glad for what he did, is going to go to heaven just by believing that Jesus died for his sins? NO! That's the easy way out, like thinking just because you wish upon a star that you'll get your wish immediately. There's one crucial part of getting into heaven that you're forgetting: You've got to work to get up there, and to do that, you must be a good person. Help people out when they need it and treat others with respect. This dA evangelism in my mind shows a lack of respect for others' beliefs by telling them to belief in what you do or burn in Hell. Don't get me wrong, I supports Christianity in America, and I get pissed when someone tries to take the "Christ" out of "Christmas", and I respect you and your beliefs, but to try to shove Jesus' word down other's throats when they neither care nor want to hear it is just as wrong as trying to ban a holiday just because of its religious overtones. Whatever, you have your beliefs and I have mine. I'm going out into life, pursuing my dreams, help out those who want and need aid and just LIVE. We're meant to live life, so as long as I die having succeeded in making my dreams come true, then I'm perfectly happy. The point being it's our lives. You live yours how you want, and I'll live mine how I want, but telling people how they should live their lives to me is not just rude but arrogant, and of all things, nothing ticks me off more than arrogance.

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Chrishankhah In reply to Copycat-The-Unknown [2010-01-28 22:56:44 +0000 UTC]

The first problem is that you consider yourself a good person. Don't you know that you were born a sinner and that you will die and be regarded as one without the imputation of Christ's righteousness? Without His righteousness you are just as bad as a convicted criminal. And Christ's blood is as sufficient to pardon a criminal as it is to pardon you, if He so chooses to pardon that criminal. He did for the thief on the cross, did he not?

Or Paul the Apostle, a pharisee who MURDERED Christians and would, in our age, be subject to the death penalty -- on the road to Damascus became a Christian himself. He was also saved.

Christ said that those who hate Him will hate those who follow Him. You don't have to like me, but you prove myself and yourself mistaken. Don't you know that unless a man is regenerated he WILL hate Christ and His followers? "There is none righteous, no not one" and "None seek after God." I don't tell anyone of hell or of Christ because I think I'm superior or I want to scare them into believing. I tell them because it is Christ's commandment that I tell them, and because I love them and I want them to know these things now and be redeemed. But salvation is up to Christ.

You have my full apologies -- you see, I seek to politely encourage my brothers and sisters in Christ to be Christlike and to regard Christians as such. You claim to be a Christian but you are not of Christ based on what you have said. A Christian does not live unto himself but unto Christ. Therefore I spoke to you with the expectations and regards of a Christian, but because you are not, you are instead offended at what I say. I have likewise offered you the first truth of the gospel, and you are offended and have cast proverbial stones. This conversation has no where else to go.

I hope one day you will be more concerned for the souls of men than for common human courtesies and comforts. The satisfactions of this world are not like the satisfactions of our sovereign and righteous God. Do not fear man who can take life, but fear God who has power over both life and soul.

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Copycat-The-Unknown In reply to Chrishankhah [2010-01-28 23:10:45 +0000 UTC]

Bottom Line: Keep is professional. Besides, no one on here is really bad enough to need saving. May I direct you to 4chan for some souls who are in dire need of the lord's word?

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Chrishankhah In reply to Copycat-The-Unknown [2010-01-28 23:14:38 +0000 UTC]

Romans 3:10 "As the Scriptures say, 'No one is righteous--not even one.'"

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Copycat-The-Unknown In reply to Chrishankhah [2010-01-28 23:58:31 +0000 UTC]

Still, you could make a difference on /b/. Those poor souls are unaware of the word of god...

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Eternalskyy In reply to Copycat-The-Unknown [2011-02-28 05:19:42 +0000 UTC]

Completely disagree and I agree that the word of god is used far too often, but such words just dont help me and it annoys me, quite honestly. XD Because it doesn't do much help.

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Copycat-The-Unknown In reply to Eternalskyy [2011-02-28 06:42:22 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I was only suggesting he preach to /b/ as a joke. No sane, right minded person would go there.

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Eternalskyy In reply to Copycat-The-Unknown [2011-02-28 08:47:15 +0000 UTC]

*shrug* XD Lol ah who knows.

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Copycat-The-Unknown In reply to Eternalskyy [2011-02-28 19:17:34 +0000 UTC]

Well, I never said that I was sane or right minded, did I?

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Eternalskyy In reply to Copycat-The-Unknown [2011-02-28 22:25:59 +0000 UTC]

*giggle*

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LucyKB In reply to alpacamuart [2009-10-26 00:29:37 +0000 UTC]

I know you got banned for spreading what you thought was right about dA.

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